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Old 10-08-2013, 10:48 PM   #85
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Real simple.

Because LT (Light truck) tires were not made for use on trailers....if they were the manufacturers would advertise them as such.

Like one guy said earlier Goodyear Marthons have gotten a bad rap because there is more of them in use.
Thanks. I see that point and don't disagree. I just wonder if Airstream's use of the non-ST Michelin tires on the Eddie Bauer is a signal of a move in a new direction? I also called AS before switching to the 15" Michelins to ask if it would void my warranty. They said it wouldn't. Again, just wonder if things may be moving in a different direction.

Whatever you choose, have happy, safe travels!
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Old 10-08-2013, 11:03 PM   #86
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I'd just about bet that if you purchased a new Airstream from Airstream with LT (Light Truck) tires on it and had a serious accident because of a tire failure or simply a lose of control that with the right lawyer you or anyone involved in the accident might very well be the new owner of Airstream.
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:09 AM   #87
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For what it is worth, my 2014 FC 20' single axle has shocks. Maybe it is just the Safari series which does not have them.
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Old 10-09-2013, 04:01 AM   #88
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For what it is worth, my 2014 FC 20' single axle has shocks. Maybe it is just the Safari series which does not have them.
Our Airstream is an International series. Maybe Airstream is reconsidering the wisdom of the no shock status of the single axel trailers?

I will not matter to me any longer, as of today I will be welding on those brackets (Thank you Colin Hyde!).

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Old 10-09-2013, 05:28 AM   #89
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He probably got all his good tools at harbor freight.
What's wrong with Harbor Freight?

I didn't mean to appear to mock LFC - I was genuinely interested in why he felt that way. Sorry if that came across the wrong way...

I was dead set against swapping out the tires AS chose to put on the trailer. I'm happy I finally did and to my untrained eye, the Michelins even visually appear better on every level and side by side, the GYMs look less trustworthy (I have no training or experience to back that up so take with a huge grain of salt).

Like every hot topic - I think folks need to know why they choose one direction over another. The only wrong choice might be the one you make without knowing why...
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Old 10-09-2013, 06:10 AM   #90
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I didn't think you were....Fact is I've never bought any Chinese junk from Harbor Freight.

And I've also never ran out and bought a set of tires because of what I read on an internet forum either.
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Old 10-09-2013, 06:19 AM   #91
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I have a friend in our unit that refuses to run anything but 7.00X15D bias ply tires on his Airstream, and his reasoning is when one blows out, it does not do any damage to the trailer because there is no steel belt flopping around tearing stuff up. To date, he is right because he has blown two of them with no damage to the trailer.

Before the tire manufacturers, for what ever reason, came out with the ST tires, everyone ran 7.00X15 bias ply tires on trailers. To my recollection, they were fine, just didn't last many miles.

Maybe if we changed out the GYM's at 15,000 miles we wouldn't have trouble with them either?
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I wonder how many of the folks that disparage us LT'ers, actually come back and post crow when their ST's fail?
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I wonder has anyone reported an LT tire failure on a trailer. There sure have been plenty of the ST tires fail.
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Old 10-09-2013, 09:23 AM   #94
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For what it is worth, my 2014 FC 20' single axle has shocks. Maybe it is just the Safari series which does not have them.
No, as we owned a 2008 20 ft Safari as well as a 2005 19 ft Bambi which also had shocks.
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Real simple.

Because LT (Light truck) tires were not made for use on trailers....if they were the manufacturers would advertise them as such.

Like one guy said earlier Goodyear Marthons have gotten a bad rap because there is more of them in use.
My feelings are it's not actually "real simple".

I would suspect that Tire Rack, being a major player in the market, is pretty careful in what they post and recommend on their website. From them:

"Also consider that Special Trailer (ST), as well as Light Truck (LT) tires are fully rated for trailer applications. This means ST- and LT-sized tires can carry the full weight rating branded on the sidewalls when used on a trailer."

Also, if you look on the Good Year website, and dig down thru their LT tire category, they state that LT tires are suitable for trailer use, as long as you maintain or go up in load capacity.

I have, in writing, an approval from Continental to use their Vanco LT tire for trailer use, again, with the stipulation that the tire meets or exceeds the load carry capacity of the OE supplied tires.

For my mind, all of the above satisfies my requirements of proof that the tire companies approve all this. I run LT tires on both of my horse trailers ( one bumper pull and one gooseneck ), my gooseneck equipment trailer and my travel trailer. They work for me, and when it comes to especially the horse and equipment trailers, we often have to spin these trailers around in tight places, so these tire get the dreaded twisting/scrubbing action. I have had zero LT tire failures on these trailers ( knock on wood )....which is not something I can say regarding my experience with ST tires.

As always, y'all run whatever you want, but to make a blanket statement that users of LT tires will regret that choice is rather misleading in my opinion.
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My feelings are it's not actually "real simple".

I would suspect that Tire Rack, being a major player in the market, is pretty careful in what they post and recommend on their website. From them:

"Also consider that Special Trailer (ST), as well as Light Truck (LT) tires are fully rated for trailer applications. This means ST- and LT-sized tires can carry the full weight rating branded on the sidewalls when used on a trailer."

Also, if you look on the Good Year website, and dig down thru their LT tire category, they state that LT tires are suitable for trailer use, as long as you maintain or go up in load capacity.

I have, in writing, an approval from Continental to use their Vanco LT tire for trailer use, again, with the stipulation that the tire meets or exceeds the load carry capacity of the OE supplied tires.

For my mind, all of the above satisfies my requirements of proof that the tire companies approve all this. I run LT tires on both of my horse trailers ( one bumper pull and one gooseneck ), my gooseneck equipment trailer and my travel trailer. They work for me, and when it comes to especially the horse and equipment trailers, we often have to spin these trailers around in tight places, so these tire get the dreaded twisting/scrubbing action. I have had zero LT tire failures on these trailers ( knock on wood )....which is not something I can say regarding my experience with ST tires.

As always, y'all run whatever you want, but to make a blanket statement that users of LT tires will regret that choice is rather misleading in my opinion.
Agreed.
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And a little followup that I should have thrown in my earlier post, in case anyone cares for brand info, this is what I am running now:

On the little 4000 pound white box camper trailer ( funfinder ): Kumho 857. We have few choices in the 14" rim size, so I chose these. Load range D ( 65 psi ), these tires are a "commercial, light truck tire" ( made for cargo vans, etc, according to Kumho ) that are marketed by Kumho USA as "primarily for trailer use". That right there states that at least for this model of tire, Kumho calls trailer use and LT use as crossing over.

The horse trailers and equipment trailer all have 16" LR E, and are a combo of Uniroyal Laredo and Firestone Transforce HT. These trailers range from 3000 lbs. empty for the small horse trailer up to 15K lbs loaded for the goosenecks.
The Uniroyals are about due to be replaced, as they are close to worn out and are getting some weather cracking on them. Will probably replace them with a set of F-stone Transforce, because I can get a deal on them from my local dealer, and they have been fine on the other trailer.
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I wonder has anyone reported an LT tire failure on a trailer. There sure have been plenty of the ST tires fail.
There's plenty of Michelin tire failures listed...

Michelin Tire Consumer Complaints

Another thing to consider is how many more trailers are running ST tires compared to the number of people running LT truck tires on trailers.

I'm sure if there was a way to figure it out the percentage of ST and LT tire failures would be close.
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