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Old 07-14-2014, 07:21 PM   #29
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and sometimes in a hot less dense state. Care to share your meds?
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Got a lot of the heated version at work some days and some of the best "meds" are shared over a campfire, come on down.

Hey, we're all concerned about weights and loads, oh snap! that's not true either. I got it! lets fill'em up with Hydrogen, lighter than air it will take some weight off of the rig so we can carry more stuff!

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Rich,

Got a lot of the heated version at work some days and some of the best "meds" are shared over a campfire, come on down.

Hey, we're all concerned about weights and loads, oh snap! that's not true either. I got it! lets fill'em up with Hydrogen, lighter than air it will take some weight off of the rig so we can carry more stuff!

Back to our regular programming.

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I was going to suggest helium, which is not flammable, and help compensate for the ~65#/tire--a lot of unsprung weight.

Unfortunately, helium's (and hydrogen's) smaller molecules would leak out more quickly, probably need to "air" up a couple of times a day.
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Putting nitrogen in any tire for street vehicles is an absolute waste of time and money.
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Most amusing thread in a while.
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Methane...

free, plentiful, and always 50psi
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And just an FYI:

There is no difference in pressure in a tire buildup between air and nitrogen. Not only has this been confirmed, but it also is predicted by the Ideal Gas Law.

So anyone who tells you that nitrogen gives more stable pressures doesn't know what he is talking about.
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So that's the way you fill your tires?
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So that's the way you fill your tires?
Off to a great start, that one actually took a minute before it hit me.
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Yeah but the snake oil salesmen love the stuff. Let's sell air like it is something special. Here is another one on dihydrogen monoxide. This will be the latest chemical banned by the EPA.

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And just an FYI:

There is no difference in pressure in a tire buildup between air and nitrogen. Not only has this been confirmed, but it also is predicted by the Ideal Gas Law.

So anyone who tells you that nitrogen gives more stable pressures doesn't know what he is talking about.
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"So that's the way you fill your tires? "

Only when I'm in a "pinch"...

When I crewed IMSA back in the Nineties, we used big Nitrogen bottles in the pits to run our impacts because the bottles were more reliable than a compressor. We always had a stack of Nitrogen filled tires with the pressure marked on them. We'd change a wheel faster than it would take to "air up or bleed and check pressure."

I'm not a tire scientist, but my hands-on experience makes me feel that pure Nitrogen in tires is more of a romantic illusion than reality unless maybe you're Racing Formula 1. To win a 8/12/24HR endurance race you need a good car, a fast crew, and a non-egotistical driver that won't wreck the car. Nitrogen in the tires was never a racing factor for us, mostly just a convenience.

Somehow the vanity of race looking wheels and tires on street vehicles has come to include Nitrogen fill, and the tire shops support the hype to please their "informed" customers and "inform" the "non-informed" and can make an extra buck.

I Don't know, but if it were indeed remarkably superior, then wouldn't all the Peterbilts and Kenworths run Nitrogen?? Maybe they do...

I wonder if the Tour De France Riders use Nitrogen? Aircraft?

I'll say that safe tire management doesn't need the inclusion of Pure Nitrogen.

At best, this thread will encourage you to go check your tires...
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Methane...

free, plentiful, and always 50psi
Also, eco-friendly, as it comes from a renewable resource....but not so eco-friendly if methane gets out when you have a "blowout"!
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Yeah but the snake oil salesmen love the stuff. Let's sell air like it is something special. Here is another one on dihydrogen monoxide. This will be the latest chemical banned by the EPA.

Facts About Dihydrogen Monoxide

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The only performance difference between nitrogen and air is due to the level of dihydrogen monoxide contamination.
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As I stated before n2 in shocks, airplane struts. Racing tires for build up of heat and stability as we raced motorcycles up to 160 mph, n2 did not give us any failures. N2 is not needed for highway tires, and n2 put in then air put in n2 was contaminated then useless.
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