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Old 02-17-2016, 11:37 AM   #71
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Possibly the rubber compound gets harder as it gets colder?

I know for a fact that most high performance "summer" passenger tires will have tread compounds that do get harder in the cold. I have even seed tread rubber on ultra-high performance tires crack and shatter due to extreme cold.

Now the XPS rib is not in the same category as these HP tires but if Michelin says they are "summer" tires then I would not consider them suitable for operation in snow conditions.
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Old 02-17-2016, 12:56 PM   #72
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I know for a fact that most high performance "summer" passenger tires will have tread compounds that do get harder in the cold. I have even seed tread rubber on ultra-high performance tires crack and shatter due to extreme cold.

Now the XPS rib is not in the same category as these HP tires but if Michelin says they are "summer" tires then I would not consider them suitable for operation in snow conditions.
At the risk of being a bit OT, are you familiar with Nokian snow tires, and the compounds they use for good adhesion to the pavement in cold weather? I have read on other forums that they really work, but must be taken off as soon as winter is over, as they wear down quickly on pavement.

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Old 02-24-2016, 01:21 PM   #73
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After tons of research, my Michelin XPS RIB vs. LTX M/S2 debate is over.

I'm going with the LTX M/S2.
What led you to this decision?

Also, has anyone had any issues with a tire dealer putting the Michelin LT tires on a trailer? I have heard of tire places saying they wont put anything but a trailer tire on a trailer....
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Old 02-24-2016, 02:32 PM   #74
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I ended up choosing the LTX M/S2 over the RIB. As much as I wanted the RIB, I just decided it was probably not worth the extra money (which was significant). I based this on the success everyone is having with the LTX M/S2. I also decided the LTX may have slightly better grip which could help with braking and hydroplaning resistance. I still would love to try the RIBs though. Maybe someday when I have more money laying around or they offer a great deal on them.
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Who's mounting & balancing these for everyone?? Everywhere I read that tire shops will only mount tires spec'd for the vehicle. I dont see where the LTX M/S2 is spec'd for Trailers.
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Old 02-24-2016, 03:10 PM   #76
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Discount Tire in Mesa, AZ installed the 15" Michelin LTX (P) 235/75R15 XL tires onto the SenDel T03-56545T 15" wheels along with the senders for the Dill 1506-453 TPMS system. I purchased all three items from them for our 23D. They were aware of the intended use ands still gave me a warranty. I installed them when I got to the dealership on the East coast.

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I personally installed the 16" tires and wheels in the storage area as soon as I got the Classic off of the dealer's lot.
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Most tire shops do not have data for trailers. And I am sure if you brought down a set of rims to have tires mounted and told them it was for a trailer you would leave with tires mounted on rims. There isn't much liability on the part of a tire shop to mount anything on a vehicle not designed to carry humans.

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What led you to this decision?

Also, has anyone had any issues with a tire dealer putting the Michelin LT tires on a trailer? I have heard of tire places saying they wont put anything but a trailer tire on a trailer....
The biggest factor was that the Rib is a summer tire and I tow in the winter.
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Old 02-24-2016, 06:05 PM   #79
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Who's mounting & balancing these for everyone?? Everywhere I read that tire shops will only mount tires spec'd for the vehicle. I dont see where the LTX M/S2 is spec'd for Trailers.

I called a local (New England) Town Fair Tire and explained what I wanted (15" P rated Michelins on my 27FB). Brought the trailer to their shop and had them installed directly on the trailer with internal TST TPMS sending units.
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The biggest factor was that the Rib is a summer tire and I tow in the winter.

Unless your trailer is self propelled this is not a issue.A trailer just follows your tow vehicle and traction is not a issue.
It is a issue for your tow vehicle as it needs traction for pulling and turning.


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Unless your trailer is self propelled this is not a issue.A trailer just follows your tow vehicle and traction is not a issue.
It is a issue for your tow vehicle as it needs traction for pulling and turning.


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Unless your trailer is self propelled this is not a issue.A trailer just follows your tow vehicle and traction is not a issue.
It is a issue for your tow vehicle as it needs traction for pulling and turning.
Ahh....unless you're towing at around 9,000' and the rain turns to sleet and then snow in less than a mile and your trailer decides it wants to go faster than the tow vehicle...and all of a sudden it doesn't want to just follow.

That was the tightest U-turn I've ever made with a 28' trailer on a two lane highway!
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When we purchased the XL P tires and Sendel wheels for the 23, America's tire rep called me back to make sure that I understood the tire was rated for about 1800 lbs. For a 6000 lb gross weight, that is a lot of headroom. They had no problem mounting the tires to be used on an Airstream. As it turned out, I installed them at home, because I needed to wait for the Centramatics to arrive.

Do not plan on traveling on snow covered roads, but conceptually I really like the better traction of an all weather tire. Pat
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Ditto to mojo and PKI. When the conditions call for it, a more aggressive tread is needed -- snow, turning, downhill braking, etc.. Pinching pennies can get expensive, looking in the mirror with hindsight.

Better safe than sorry . . .

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