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Old 06-25-2013, 07:53 AM   #85
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Sure are - I just put them on too!
Are they available in load range # or 10 ply?
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:14 AM   #86
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They are P rated - as I understand it that is different from the LT ratings. The MS2 is an XL (extra load) rated for 1980 lbs but has to be derated because it is being used on a trailer. I believe it's 10% reduction.

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Old 06-25-2013, 09:47 AM   #87
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The Michelin LTX M/S2 P235 75 15 XL is rated for 2183# for a passenger car. The 10% reduction (1965#) applies to the 2183# rating. The 10% reduction applies to use on trucks, travel trailers and other high center of gravity vehicles.

The "E" rated Michelins start in the 16" wheel size. In my opinion, our trailer is light enough at 6300# gross to not need an "E" rated tire. Loaded axle weight (per CAT scales) does not exceed 5500#.

We bought our tires from Tire Rack online. There are at least a couple of 15" "D" rated tires available through Tire Rack (Pirelli Scorpion ATR, Continental Vanco2). I have not seen any 15" tires with a rating higher than "D".
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They are P rated - as I understand it that is different from the LT ratings. The MS2 is an XL (extra load) rated for 1980 lbs but has to be derated because it is being used on a trailer. I believe it's 10% reduction.

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The Michelin page in your link shows a 900 kg (1984 lbs) rating for the 15" XL. The tires I just bought have 2183 lbs, 990 kg, at 50 psi stamped on the sidewall. It appears that Michelin is listing as if the tires are an "LT" tire instead of a "P" tire.

I have heard that these tires were sold as an "LT" tire by Michelin in the recent past. Perhaps that explains the information on the webpage.
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The Michelin LTX M/S2 P235 75 15 XL is rated for 2183# for a passenger car. The 10% reduction (1965#) applies to the 2183# rating. The 10% reduction applies to use on trucks, travel trailers and other high center of gravity vehicles.

The "E" rated Michelins start in the 16" wheel size. In my opinion, our trailer is light enough at 6300# gross to not need an "E" rated tire. Loaded axle weight (per CAT scales) does not exceed 5500#.

We bought our tires from Tire Rack online. There are at least a couple of 15" "D" rated tires available through Tire Rack (Pirelli Scorpion ATR, Continental Vanco2). I have not seen any 15" tires with a rating higher than "D".
Some of the ST tire manufacturers do build 15 tires with a LRE rating. Here is a reference from one of them.

http://www.maxxis.com/Repository/Files/m8008load.pdf
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I am considering changing my ST225 75 R15 Marathons on my 2007 Bambi . I have had no problems with the Marathons but I have been reading about all kinds of disaster stories . Most of what I read seems to be with tandem axle trailers . I would like to here some opinions or recommendations on a single axle upgrade .
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I am considering changing my ST225 75 R15 Marathons on my 2007 Bambi . I have had no problems with the Marathons but I have been reading about all kinds of disaster stories . Most of what I read seems to be with tandem axle trailers . I would like to here some opinions or recommendations on a single axle upgrade .
I just bought a 78 Safari that came with 3 year old GYM that look great but after reading about all the blowouts I went with the Michelins for our 2000 miles summer vacation thru 115 degree in Phoenix on the way to Yosemite.
Peace of mind is all worth it for me.
Why risk going with a tire that has that kind of track record?
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Some of the ST tire manufacturers do build 15” tires with a LRE rating. Here is a reference from one of them.

http://www.maxxis.com/Repository/Files/m8008load.pdf
And I thought Maxxis was the answer. Until I lost two tires with separated belts on the same trip after 3 years of use. That was the final straw that pushed me to LT's.

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Old 07-04-2013, 04:37 PM   #93
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Has anyone had issues getting the tire store to mount light truck tires on your Airstream? I've read somewhere they don't want to do it because trailers should have ST tires and there is some perceived liability.

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Yes, when I went to my tire shop to talk to them about new tires for the Airstream, all they had was the GYM's and some other brand I had never heard of. When I mentioned moving from an ST to a LT, the guys and gal at the counter came together in unison saying NO! They made it clear that they wouldn't even install them if I bought them.

I didn't do anything as my wife was battling cancer at the time and the Twinkie was in storage, but I'm going to have to do something soon as I have a cross country trip planned... I've gone near blind reading the tire threads. Is the LT sidewall really that incapable of handling the weight and would the ride be too harsh? I don't want to deal with an exploding ST tire but I also don't want to jar the old girl to pieces.
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Yes, when I went to my tire shop to talk to them about new tires for the Airstream, all they had was the GYM's and some other brand I had never heard of. When I mentioned moving from an ST to a LT, the guys and gal at the counter came together in unison saying NO! They made it clear that they wouldn't even install them if I bought them.

I didn't do anything as my wife was battling cancer at the time and the Twinkie was in storage, but I'm going to have to do something soon as I have a cross country trip planned... I've gone near blind reading the tire threads. Is the LT sidewall really that incapable of handling the weight and would the ride be too harsh? I don't want to deal with an exploding ST tire but I also don't want to jar the old girl to pieces.
I installed the Michelin P235 75 15XL on my 2002 25 footer. I ordered them from Tirerack. I had a local tire shop install them. Do have a shop that will install them if you bring them to the shop with the trailer or just the wheels? 50 psi air pressure. Nice soft ride for the trailer. Just finished first trip with them... 1500 miles. No issues. Studied tire threads until I was convinced to replace my Maxxis with the 15" Michelins. I felt in my case is the 16" option was tire insurance than I needed.
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I just bought a 1992 Classic Excella 25ft , it had Michelin P235 75 15 XL installed and they looked brand new, with little wear. We pulled the trailer for over 1000 miles and loved the way they performed. When i checked the dot date on them it was 0601,2001, 0201 & 2301---these tires were over 12 years old. In checking them out they showed little or no dry rot and no cracking, unbelievable. To be on the safe side i decided to put on new tires after my experience with the old Michelin,i installed the Michelin MS2 275/75 15 LX, hey if the 2001 lasted 12 years with no problems and dry rot why change. I run 50lbs cool tire pressure and they trace true with no sway. Hope these last as long as the old tires,
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If we had purchased a 27FB Flying Cloud or International with a GVW of 7,600 pounds, I would have been comfortable with the 15" Michelins since the tongue weight would be nearly 1,100 pounds and the trailer axles would have been supporting 6,500 pounds. We did install these 15" tires on the existing 25FB International.

But we ordered a 27FB Classic with a GVW of 9,000 pounds, so we will have to use the 16" Michelins for that much load.
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I installed the Michelin P235 75 15XL on my 2002 25 footer. I ordered them from Tirerack. I had a local tire shop install them. Do have a shop that will install them if you bring them to the shop with the trailer or just the wheels? 50 psi air pressure. Nice soft ride for the trailer. Just finished first trip with them... 1500 miles. No issues. Studied tire threads until I was convinced to replace my Maxxis with the 15" Michelins. I felt in my case is the 16" option was tire insurance than I needed.

They really sound like a good choice for new rubber. And yes, I'm sure I could find another shop to install and balance them. I haven't weighed her in a couple of years but loaded for our normal summer trips she's right at 5,300#, so the 15's should be enough to carry the load and have a healthy reserve.

Along that train of thought, what's a good wheel to mount it on? My 14's clearly won't work. Is there a wheel that works better than not?
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They really sound like a good choice for new rubber. And yes, I'm sure I could find another shop to install and balance them. I haven't weighed her in a couple of years but loaded for our normal summer trips she's right at 5,300#, so the 15's should be enough to carry the load and have a healthy reserve.

Along that train of thought, what's a good wheel to mount it on? My 14's clearly won't work. Is there a wheel that works better than not?
My trailer axle weight runs right at 5500# when loaded for camping. Mine came with 15" wheels so I did not need to buy new wheels. Folks buying new 16" wheels seem to mostly be buying Sendel wheels. 15" aluminum wheels are less than $100 each. 15" steel wheels are less than $40 each.

Here is a link to an online trailer wheel dealer.

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