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Old 08-10-2013, 02:13 PM   #169
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Thanks BA! I'll set something like that up...good idea!


Ok - so - got the new sneakers today. I had made an adjustment to my hitch (ref. unofficial pp users guide thread) which made a HUGE difference in the towing experience. The porpoising that's been plaguing me since day 1 was nearly invisible - so for starters that was a good morning.

About 100' too late I realized I missed the entrance to Town Fair Tire and had to drive another 6 miles to get back there ...rrrrrr

Got there with my pre-coded internal TPMS sensors and they had my set of tires ready for me. Made in Feb-Mar this year in Canada.

They had me out in the parking lot to swap the tires which they did one at a time. The first one they used a jack on the spot underneath marked for that purpose. I didn't like how that was pushing the hitch forward on the rear axle of my truck and ended up making a ramp out of mutli-tiered "Legos" and that's how we did the remaining 7 tires.

Yes...7. Unfortunately, the red o-ring for the TPMS sensors wasn't adequate to prevent leaking which he didn't find out until tire #3. To the manager's credit, he talked with TST (the manufacturer) and used another gasket set he had on hand from another internal TPMS kit to make the seal and those worked perfectly. And yes, he had to redo those 3 tires - no extra charge (I tipped him nicely...).

Got on the road - I was afraid to drive with them for some reason. I had visions of going around a corner an having them blow off due to force meant for STs (you guys are all dancing around in my head!! :-) ). Well I got over that soon enough and took a 10 mile drive to the nearest CAT scales to double check the weight and grab lunch. Noticeably smoother ride and in conjunction with the corrected hitch position, I barely felt any porpoising even on that section I've crossed a dozen times that's like a washboard and gave me fits in the past.

So I'm feeling very good about the purchase so far. The tread looks (to my untrained eye) more substantial than that of the GYMs though I honestly don't know what I'm talking about. They are slightly wider than the GYMs and run at 50 psi max so I think that extra 15 lbs and thinner contact point is somewhat noticeable (though again, I could be psyching myself in to something that has no good reasoning behind it :-) ).

Got a LONG trip coming up and will keep you all posted.
I have been extremely happy with my Michelin 15" XL's. I have the Dill brand TPMS.
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Old 08-10-2013, 02:14 PM   #170
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I should mention it was $719 all in (balancing and TPMS installation) before $70 rebate (so $650).

And it was done by some great guys at Town Fair Tire in West Springfield, MA who really treated me right. Had they not soaped those valve stems after installing them, I'd never have known until they ran flat on the road!! I apologized profusely and they assured me it was no problem an they were glad to do it right and not send me out of there in bad condition. Glad they were that conscientious! Plus they all thought the trailer was wicked cool! That didn't hurt. :-)

As to the ST/LTX controversy, I explained to them earlier in the week that I had talked directly with Airstream about this and they said this would not void my warranty. At that point, Town Fair had no problem installing these on my trailer.
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That's great ridgerunner. How many miles so far?
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Old 08-10-2013, 02:19 PM   #172
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That's great ridgerunner. How many miles so far?
Right at 2000 peaceful miles. The peace of mind while towing our Airstream with Michelin tires, a Propride hitch and a TPMS system is worth every penny I spent. I would do it all again in a heart beat.
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Old 06-09-2014, 05:49 PM   #173
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So I've been enjoying the Michelins very much. We've taken some long trips in them - from CT to TN - from CT to the Mothership, etc. on the way to a rally in Maine this weekend, we were in a construction zone and the slow lane had been dug down a few inches leaving a sharp edge on the shoulder raised up about 2". Unfortunately, I had to squeeze right a bit with the traffic and I scuffed up the curb side tires pretty badly.

We made it home to CT just fine - I kept my eyes on the TPMS all the way home and all 4 tires performed as they have since being installed - the pressure rises about 10% and the temp rises about 30 degrees above ambient. Nothing inconsistent on the way home, but I'm definitely going to replace them.

The TFT shop where I had them installed is set for a Saturday morning appt.

While I'm happy with them and planning on just replacing the 2 on the curbside - I do have to say that I'm open to suggestions if there's something I'm missing. The math all works out - at 1984/tire (derated from 2183 as they're P rated on a trailer) by 4 tires - I've got over 7900# capacity - for 5880# on the axles per the CAT scales.

If there were an ST tire (radial or bias ply) that was not made in China, I'd be open to alternatives to swap out the entire set. Or a true LT 15" tire...but searches have been fruitless so far!

So bummed I "scraped my sneakers" :-/
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Steve,
GoodYear G26 cargo
GoodYear Wrangler HT LT 215/75/15 LRD
Yokohama RY 215
Take your pick from these-
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSe...75&diameter=15
Sorry to hear about you scuffing your shoes
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Continental has some "commercial" tires Vanco-2
Continental USA Car / Light Truck / SUV -Vancoâ„¢2

I would consider Continental one of the "major" tire companies unlike many of the no-name imports.
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Old 06-10-2014, 07:59 AM   #176
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I've been using the Vanco2 tires for the past 4-5 yrs. with no problems, just have not been able to get it out much. Have about 20,000 miles on them and they still look new. I tried posting about this tire :
Nokian Rotiiva AT 235/75R15 116/113S

It is an LT 15" tire, E rated!!
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The Vanco2 commercial tires are great tires. I have installed a few sets on customer's trailers. They are getting harder and harder to find. I think the Vanco2 Four Season tire may be taking its place.
The Nokian tire would be a great solution for the the heavier classics. I have had a few sets of Nokian winter tires in Germany. Very high quality.
Nice find!
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The Vanco2 commercial tires are great tires. I have installed a few sets on customer's trailers. They are getting harder and harder to find. I think the Vanco2 Four Season tire may be taking its place.
The Nokian tire would be a great solution for the the heavier classics. I have had a few sets of Nokian winter tires in Germany. Very high quality.
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I think you are right on the Vanco four season replacing the Vanco 2 in their lineup. From what I have seen looking around, for instance on tire rack they are calling at least the 15" version of the "2" on closeout. I have no idea what all differences are between the "2" and the "four season", but from their marketing blurb, they called the "2" a summer tire, where obviously they are calling the four season a year round tire.

The Nokian sounds interesting. I can't say I've even seen any, but I guess they are made in Finland.
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Thanks. The Continental Vanco 4 season (in 225 70 R15) is an honest to goodness load range D (which is what the original GYMs are) at 65 PSI without a 65mph limit - but are a bear to find. I'm going to keep checking. The 195 70 R15 (also a D range) seems more available, but significantly thinner and shorter than the original GYMs.

I'm not great at math, and conversions but it seems like millimeters converted to inches looks ROUGHLY like this:

ORIGINAL GYMs (225 75)

8 4/5" wide, 6 2/3" aspect height

MICHELINS (235 75)

9 3/4" wide, 7 1/3" aspect
(9/10" wider and 2/3" taller than GYMs)

CONTINENTAL VANCO FOUR SEASON (220 70)

8 2/3" wide, 6" aspect
(1/4" thinner and 1/2" shorter than GYMs)


CONTINENTAL VANCO FOUR SEASON (195 70)

7 1/2" wide, 5 1/4" aspect
(1 1/3" thinner and 1 1/2" shorter than GYMs)

So the Michelins and the Vanco 220s seem "close enough for jazz" to the GYM footprint, but the Vanco 195 just seems too different. Too thin for gripping and MUCH lower (surely requiring hitch adjustment).

Am I seeing that right?

The Vanco 220s at 65PSI LRD are very tempting. I have not yet found where they are manufactured but will check with my tire guys in the morning.

If they can't get them, they have the Michelins and I will just swap out that scuffed pair. I'm bummed to have wrecked them without even a year of use....
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Yep, looks about right.
I typically use the specs from Tire Rack to compare diameter. As you know, if the diameter is a 1" increase, the height of the trailer is raised 1/2" only.

I have often contemplated these Pirelli Scorpionn ATR for the next set of tires. It is a real LT tire that is LRD.
Edit-Also this Firestone that weighs in at 44lbs!

But, you won't be disappointed with more Michelins
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The Pirelli ones are very good. I have a good friend that has them on his 23' Airstream dual axle. He has about 26,000 miles on them with no problems. They go off road all the time with it, been out west in the heat twice and left for out west again today! I like the extra load capacity of it compared to the Michelins. If you check them out, make sure you look at the LT ones. Decisions ___Decisions
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Maxxis.... I'm running a set of the 8 ply E rated 15s on the std factor wheels. Centramatic balancers and a Dill TPMS on my 25 flying cloud. Run them some off road, and 5000 miles in the past 4 months. 60lbs cold. In 100+ degree heat in the west to 90s in the south, and in the teens and light snow in the north east. So far they are flawless. Over really bad roads in Louisiana to the best rubberized asphalt in Arizona they work great.

I don't read much about them on the Airstream site, but the big white box and toy hauler owners are pretty happy with them, especially off road. You might think they are too stiff, but after some really bad road, and expecting to have things be a mess inside the trailer, nothing moves.. They seem really a very gentle ride.
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