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Old 12-11-2015, 07:10 PM   #29
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Rocinante, yes, I guess this was a bit off-topic, so sorry, not trying to hijack the thread, but I noticed some others also mentioned other things about different size wheels, tires, etc. which were not mentioned in the original post and hoped to hear from someone on it.

Also, I am aware of those other posts, but I do not recall reading how they handled the 5- vs 6-lug situation -- I'll have to reread them tho as you say they covered this well.

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Old 12-11-2015, 07:33 PM   #30
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Good info, thanks RWills.

OP - We have a '16 FC FB 27 also, very interested in this thread, as we have the GYMs.

I've used Michelin tires exclusively on all my cars, and replaced the Contis on my Roadtrek (now sold) with Michelin LTX M/S2's. Will definitely keep an eye on this thread in 2016.

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Old 12-11-2015, 09:16 PM   #31
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Rocinante, yes, I guess this was a bit off-topic, so sorry, not trying to hijack the thread, but I noticed some others also mentioned other things about different size wheels, tires, etc. which were not mentioned in the original post and hoped to hear from someone on it.

Also, I am aware of those other posts, but I do not recall reading how they handled the 5- vs 6-lug situation -- I'll have to reread them tho as you say they covered this well.

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Here you go, sorry this I couldn't find the thread from the iPad app, but now I have it. This should be helpful: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f465...ms-130350.html
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Thanks, Rich.

We're thinking the same thing - it seems mostly the same tire with a slightly higher load capacity. This may be exactly what we need in a 15" tire for our 27FB. Nobody local has this tire in stock, but they all say we can special order. When we're ready to replace our GYMs, we'd love go this way vs. up-sizing to 16" wheels.
Have you checked the Maxxis tires, they have a 10plie rated tire with higher payload than the Michelin. A horse work tire we used here in baja Mx to tow our 28ft trailer. Max inflation is 80psa we use them at 60 psa at any speed and roads that you can't imagine and so far over 30k miles no issues at all. I have read all this non sense thread and the usr Makira has a good point. what is the deal? there are a millon things that can cause a tire to be bad, manufacture deffect, over load, inflation, speed, but most is the way you drive and treat your vehicle. My trailer came with the Good Year Marathon which I liked a lot after 12K miles but I replaced them for the Maxxis for our trip to Mexico and basically for the rough roads down south. However i don't understand why Airstream decided now to ship the heavier trailers with Lt Michelin Tires after using ST tires for many years. Do you guy's know? And like any other thing the new company Thor is doing, why not order a special ST tire from any mnanufacturer to suit the Airstreams? we are suppossed to have the best ever TT on the road and we are paying top dollar for it, so why in the name of God people are comenting, oh, we have to get rid of the stock cheap tire for a better quality one? Or spend another few hundred dollars for ? Are you all lost your mind?
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SenDel makes the T03-66655T wheels that Airstream uses/used on the Eddie Bauer models and the 2015 and later Classics. They also make 15" and 14" wheels with the appropriate five or six bolt pattern on the proper diameter with the correct center holes so the original hubcaps can be used on the new wheels. They have two versions - one with black highlights and one just polished aluminum.

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We ordered their 15" wheel with the five bolt pattern of the 14" drum brakes for the 23D (T03-56445T).

Thus both our Classic and our 23D have similar appearance wheels.
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From Discount Tire:
"Michelin's best standard passenger tire, offering 90,000 miles of confident driving through exceptional safety, longevity and a quiet, comfortable ride"

I just installed a set of Michelin Defender 215/65R15 on my Studebaker Avanti R1. Superb handing and ride.
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You chose to put Maxxis tires on when your GYMs needed replacing. You're welcome to them.

We and others are looking at other options for when the same happens to us. That doesn't require asking whether folks have lost their minds, now does it?
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As far as the RV manufacture is concerned, the super cheap ST tire has to get the trailer down the assembly line, out the door and across the scales. After that the trailer belongs to the dealership. If the trailer makes it there, it is a bonus.

Then Joe customer comes and hooks up the tow vehicle. As the trailer tail lights clear the dealership lot line, the the entire rig including the ST tires are his to worry about. If the tire fails at the first stop light or much later, that is bonus repair business for the dealership.

We can even say that the super cheap plastic latches Airstream uses in their cabinets, but that is another thread.
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After 10 summers, + or - 60,000 mi., 28 tires (2 sets of GYMs, 1 set of Carlislse, 1 set of Maxxis), all failures due to tread separation. I got Airstream to change to 16" wheels and Michelin M/S LTX LT225/75 R16, Load Range E. This past October, Discount Tire put 5 Michelin Defenders on the Truck. Man do they ride good. Lessons learned: The 15" to 16" fit is of no consequence, the tire height difference is due to thicker tread on truck vs. ST tires and the tire diameters are a little greater. Although, I've only pulled them a little over a year they seem to be running smooth and no slight leaks. We will see. I can tell you for sure the reliability of the Michelins over the STs on my 3 axle rig couldn't be any worse. What a PITA this has been. Discount Tire really treated me well with refunds and exchanges going through all of the above. Discount Tire said because the availability of 15" truck tires is almost non existent I should go to 16" in case of a failure. If you are worried about 16" wheel fit call Airstream Service and talk to Kevin, their foreman, about your model. Also, I aways balance tires, run Centermatics, check tire pressure every morning and hourly while running with my Doran PressurePro TPMS. Other than that... Merry Christmas.
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As far as the RV manufacture is concerned, the super cheap ST tire has to get the trailer down the assembly line, out the door and across the scales. After that the trailer belongs to the dealership. If the trailer makes it there, it is a bonus.

Then Joe customer comes and hooks up the tow vehicle. As the trailer tail lights clear the dealership lot line, the the entire rig including the ST tires are his to worry about. If the tire fails at the first stop light or much later, that is bonus repair business for the dealership.

We can even say that the super cheap plastic latches Airstream uses in their cabinets, but that is another thread.
Just wondering, Did all you AS owners get a print-out with the individual tire loads or is the idea that AS actually runs all units across a set of scales just a hope?
Also have to wonder what anyone thinks the value is of weighing an empty TT?
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I suspect it was a figure of speech. At most, it's probably a faint hope that the actual dry weight of the trailer matches the specs.
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Old 12-12-2015, 03:05 PM   #40
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I will be buying another set of 15" XL tires this summer so I might end up the the Defenders. Will be my 3rd set. First was LTX LT, second was LTX p235 tires. Both were great. I just bite the bullet and change tires on the trailer we pull every 4 years. Tires have to be rated for the maximum axle load weight on the trailer. I would rather run Michelins XL's at closer to the maximum rated weight than ST tires with a larger rated margin. I do not think the ratings for ST and P tires are done in the same manner so they do not directly compare.
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Posting to ask about a "new" 15- inch tire from Michelin that looks quite promising. It is the Michelin Defender LTX M/S P235/75-15 109T XL.

Caveat: I don't know that it's actually a new tire, but I've not seen it before and a search of Airforums threads on this tire comes up empty.

This one has the same "T" speed rating as the Michelin LTX MS/2 P235/75-15 108T XL. Key difference seems to be that the Defender 109T is rated at 2271 lb, vs. the MS/2 108T, which is rated at 2205. So, after the 10% de-rating exercise the new tire comes in at 2044, which gives a bit more buffer.

Anyway, it looks promising. Anybody out there already running this tire? Would love to hear your thoughts.
I am running the 15" 108 T tires and they are great.
Even with my water tank full my 2013 30' International comes in at under 7,300 lb. On the average I am only at 6,600 lb.
They had to be ordered in however they came within a day.
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I am running the 15" 108 T tires and they are great.
Even with my water tank full my 2013 30' International comes in at under 7,300 lb. On the average I am only at 6,600 lb.
They had to be ordered in however they came within a day.
To complete my story:
We were on the way to Disney last May. The trailer had the original nightmare ST GY Marathons. with aprox. 12,000 miles. I have tire monitoring system however in a blowout due to thread separation they are useless I found. I just scanned the monitor, looked up at the road and boom. Damage to the trailer $ 9,300.00. Add to that the time and hassle involved it became a nightmare.
I put the Michelin on, which I was planning on to do the next season anyway, and haven't looked back. The biggest pleasure with the Michelins is that I seldom have to adjust the air pressure. I check them religiously, having gotten into the habit with crapola brand.
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