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Old 02-12-2016, 06:06 PM   #239
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I had a Firehouse sub a while back. I wasn't too impressed. Maybe it was just the location.
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Old 02-12-2016, 06:09 PM   #240
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I've always had a fondness for steamed sandwiches.
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I'm still trying to figure why all the others on the island didn't simply kill Gilligan, since he screwed up every rescue possibility they ever had.

I'll go crawl back under my rock now and let you get back to your regularly scheduled tire duel.

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Old 02-12-2016, 07:24 PM   #242
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Yes......only in Florida though. Need their iPhone app so we can find them anywhere in North America.
If you are in Florida you need to go eat at PDQ and get the Spicy Bufflo Chicken Sandwich. OMG, SO GOOD.

It's the only thing I miss about Florida.

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Firehouse Subs is up to 900 stores I believe. I always think this is bad when it grows that big. But whatever, its great food, from a great bunch of guys who started it. They steam the meat which makes it melt in your mouth.

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Firehouse Subs is up to 900 stores I believe. I always think this is bad when it grows that big. But whatever, its great food, from a great bunch of guys who started it. They steam the meat which makes it melt in your mouth.

Welcome to Firehouse !!!
Here in Yuma are super super, the ones with carne asada to die for.
Specially if you get a set of Michelins at the Bg o Tire they give you a coupon for a dozen subs... hey guy's you are soooooo out of topic.......did I mention Michelin tires????
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Michelin Defender LTX M/S 235/75-15 109T XL

In retrospect, it's kind of a relief to see this thread go wildly off topic. There was nothing more to say, but we all kept saying it. At this point, we might as well talk about tacos, BBQ and beer.

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The current Michelin sidewall sidewall text reads....LTX M/S2 P235/75 R15 108T XL Extra Load E2....Max Load 2183 at 50 PSI.

The 23D utilizes two 3,000 pound axles. The GVWR is 6,000 pounds. My 23D's CAT scale weight fully load is typically 5250 pounds or 2625 pounds per axle. Using your derated factor of .909 and 85% safety factor, a pair of LTXs are capable of supporting 3373 per axel or 6746 pounds total. That's 1496 more than I would typically need.

I normally air them to 50psi cold at a typical ambient of 60 degrees. I'm not aware of a formula that would accurately determine the least amount of air that I could run and still safely support my load of 1687 pounds per tire on demanding roads.

The new Defender LTX M/S 235/75R15 XL 109T will support 2271 pounds per tire, 88 more than the older M/S 2. That's 68 pounds per tire more when derated and safety margin reduced. That's not a huge improvement. I assume that it would have a minimum inflation for max loading psi that is similar to the M/S2.

I've read that the tread will last 10% longer under harsh conditions and is claimed to be better in snow and ice. That's certainly a positive.
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Since we need to replace our tires ASAP I have been considering in getting the LTX M/S.......108's but after reading this post, I m more confused than ever. My trailer GVWR is 7600 lbs and these tires support only 6746? Did I m reading something wrong here? Although on the cat scale we are at 6500 ,aren't we missing the boat here or I am so wrong in understanding this post.

Another question for the OP of this thread, did you ever contacted Ohio center about their opinion of these LT tires to be mounted on the Airstreams? Considering that now they are mounting P rated tires on the new big trailers?
What do they have to say? I mention this because there is not a tire shop here that will mount these tires on my trailer because of liabilties issues they say, the thing for us is that were do we stand in case per say of a catastrofic accident in case of a blow up and being at fault for not having the " right class tire? I have raised this question before, Rocinante any thoughts about this matter? It does not make any sense to read on this thread to to take my tires to the shop one or two at the time and tell them that these tires are for my old suburban. Tireman since you are the specialist can we get your opinion on the matter?
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Since we need to replace our tires ASAP I have been considering in getting the LTX M/S.......108's but after reading this post, I m more confused than ever. My trailer GVWR is 7600 lbs and these tires support only 6746? Did I m reading something wrong here? Although on the cat scale we are at 6500 ,aren't we missing the boat here or I am so wrong in understanding this post.

Another question for the OP of this thread, did you ever contacted Ohio center about their opinion of these LT tires to be mounted on the Airstreams? Considering that now they are mounting P rated tires on the new big trailers?
What do they have to say? I mention this because there is not a tire shop here that will mount these tires on my trailer because of liabilties issues they say, the thing for us is that were do we stand in case per say of a catastrofic accident in case of a blow up and being at fault for not having the " right class tire? I have raised this question before, Rocinante any thoughts about this matter? It does not make any sense to read on this thread to to take my tires to the shop one or two at the time and tell them that these tires are for my old suburban. Tireman since you are the specialist can we get your opinion on the matter?
According to Tireman9 we need to derate the tires by .909 for trailer use and take an additional 15% off of the load capacity written on the sidewall to determine the number used to select the tire for your application. If you use those guidelines you'd quite possibly have a problem in your particular case. Remember, don't believe everything that you read on internet forums. Do your own research.
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According to Tireman9 we need to derate the tires by .909 for trailer use and take an additional 15% off of the load capacity written on the sidewall to determine the number used to select the tire for your application. If you use those guidelines you'd quite possibly have a problem in your particular case. Remember, don't believe everything that you read on internet forums. Do your own research.
Allow me to second the above procedure - and add one more step: Account for the side to side and front to rear variation, which I have conservatively estimated to be as high as 15%.
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Check your gross axle weight rating. The 15" LTX, derated 10% to 1983lbs, need to exceed the GAWR for the trailer.

My trailer has a gross weight of 6800 lbs. But the GAWR is 6300 lbs. When hooked up and traveling the load on the axles is 5600 lbs.

It is likely that your GAWR is considerably less than the 7600 gross weight of the trailer.

I have been running the LTX you mentioned for 4 years and it has done a good job.

If you feel you still need the extra load from the ST tires, so be it. But keep in mind that the ST tires are tested and rated by a different test so, to me, the direct comparison of the load rating is suspect.
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According to Tireman9 we need to derate the tires by .909 for trailer use and take an additional 15% off of the load capacity written on the sidewall to determine the number used to select the tire for your application.

Sorry, but as I understand it, this double de-rating idea is complete nonsense driven by a misunderstanding of what's been said.

BTW, if we can't find a tire shop that will mount these tires on the trailer when they become available, we'll probably go a different route. We're not removing wheels and carrying them in one pair ar a time. That's way too much work.
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I have found that Discount Tire and Big O Tires will mount LT tires on travel trailers.
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