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Old 06-10-2016, 07:28 AM   #29
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Yes but as Michelin will tell you...
Mounting an LT tire on a travel trailer is a misapplication and voids the warranty of the tire.
michelin sent me a letter stating their official policy and position. Many say something to the effect that Airstream offers these as standard... its Airstream's decision not the component manufacturers......
I'm not trying to start a war, just sharing factual information right from the source. This smart person tried them.and literally ripped the sidewall at the bead while backing his tripleaxle on 2 different sets. Ive had failures of the sidewall as well. This cost me.tens of thousands of dollars on repairs... a well maintained st tire has cost me zero on failure repair. I.fulltime and cover 20-50 thousand miles a year.
Incomplete facts. What size and type of tire are you referring to? What was the inflation pressure, how old were the tires, was this just one situation or can you document others, repeating from other forums only perpetuates partial correct info.
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Old 06-10-2016, 07:51 AM   #30
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First set of six on my PanAmerica ms2 225 7516" E in 2010 were 10 months old. This Airstream sees very rare service and.lives in.climate.control. Maintained at 72 psi. Sidewall ripped not unseated while backing into my storage building. Michelin refused any warranty. Claimed misapllication.
Second set on my Classic 34 in 2011. Same size
Tires were 7 months old. Maintained at 72 psi.
sidewall blew. Discount tire replaced all 7. Insurance payout of $50xxx to replace sidesheet.
As we speak on my Excursion I have a 265 75 16" E properly maintained coming apart. These tires were new in December. 10000 miles, never abused!
Im never buying anything but the Michelin rib or the xzl.
Im going back to the Firestone on my to vehicles and Carlisle on the trailers.
I am a Michelin fan but just not this tire. I have learned my lesson with too many failures.
I do miss the old ms series xms244!
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Old 06-10-2016, 08:30 AM   #31
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Those were P rated tires?
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Old 06-10-2016, 08:33 AM   #32
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Tires deteriorate when not being exercised regardless of storage. Sorry you had such bad luck but I think your situation is unique.
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Old 06-10-2016, 08:50 AM   #33
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The tri-axle puts a lot of stress on that center axle tire. Maybe in that application that center tire may need addition tire pressure. While I would think from a true load capacity situation, 72 psi would be perfectly acceptable, there are a lot of lateral forces on that center axle as you turn.

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Old 06-10-2016, 09:59 AM   #34
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Ive had more failures with Michelin than any other brand. do you have experience with a triaxle Airstream?

Actually I had lots of experience with tri and quad axle trailers. Low Boys, hauling 120,000# Dozers and Backhoes. Never used anything but Michelins. Talk about torquing all 3 axels backing one of these into a narrow Chicago Ally.
Never had a tire failure like the once you described on any of the Michelins.

The strange tales I read on these here Airstream forums makes me anxious to open my browser every morning with great anticipation.
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Old 06-10-2016, 11:53 AM   #35
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Frankly..... Frank, your trailers tires vs Airstream tires is like comparing apples to oranges. Completely different construction!

Ive had 2 failures with Michelin tires, your point is? Are yu ssying its impossible for a michelin tire to fail?
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I went to a local tire dealer and told the guy in charge (who has been in charge there for 30+ years) that I wanted the Michelins that I saw being touted on this forum. He just looked me in the eye and asked, "Why do you want to put those on your Airstream?" I replied, "Well, that's what a lot of folks on the Airstream forum are touting and, being a man of no particular moral fiber, I stand before you saying, 'me too'." Lucky for me, he sold me what I needed, not what I wanted, even though he would have made more money the other way around. At least in the short run.

I had an eerily similar axle experience, recounted elsewhere.

As it turns out there are plenty of people around K.C. who have a wealth of knowledge about axles, tires, metal fabrication and other stuff one needs advice about in the course of undertaking the folly of rehabbing an old Airstream. I'll keep reading stuff here, but plan to seek the true aluminum gospel from local preachers.
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Franklyfrank,

Were you using actual Michelin trailer tires on your commercial trailers? If so, I am not surprised by their great performance. Michelin is probably the best tire out there, but as they say, you have to use each of their tire models for their intended design purpose.
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I went and had what I believe to be the best tires in its class installed today. Four new Michelin Defenders, but on my truck!
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Per the Michelin website, the rating for each of the Michelin Defender LTX M/S 235/75R15 235/75R15/XL 109T tire is 2,271 pounds @50psi.

De-rated by 10% for trailer use (there are dissertations about this all across the Forum), the rating would be 2,064. Multiply that by 4 to get 8,256 total capacity.

Here's the link that provided the weight capacity info: http://www.michelinman.com/US/en/tir...tail-sku-table
This Web site does NOT give any information on wt. Ratings, or any other useful information
All they ask is for the type of auto, And where you live for a closer dealer.
AND absolutely nothing for use in trailers.

Michelin has a good tire, but their web-site is a waste!
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Installed five new Michelin Defender series LT265/70R17E tires today on my 2012 Ram 2500HD Cummins as they had aged out. Only 50,000 mile warranty instead of the 70,000 mile warranty on the prior generation.

Discount Tire in Mesa out the door price was around $1,067 complete.
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This Web site does NOT give any information on wt. Ratings, or any other useful information
All they ask is for the type of auto, And where you live for a closer dealer.
AND absolutely nothing for use in trailers.

Michelin has a good tire, but their web-site is a waste!
Just click on the right arrow next to "More data" to scroll the table to the right.
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My new 2016 30' FC was provided with Michelin LTX/M/S 2 tires; 😮P235/75R15- 108
tires The load rating on the sidewalls show 2185 lb. at 50PSI. X4=8740 lbs.
Derate 10% means I can carry only around 8000 lbs gross.
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