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Old 03-29-2015, 12:16 PM   #1
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I would like some tire help

We own a 1992 29' Excella that we purchased in 2012. I replaced the tires in July 2013 at a Les Schawb while on a trip out west. They put on some off brand "TowMax STR", the two tires on the curb side blew this month at about mile marker 90 as we were driving down to the lower keys. I had to take what I could get at that point, a brand called "Double King". I'm running 15" 225 R75 ST.

What I need is some good - dependable rubber and I'm looking for advice. We do a lot of driving. For instance we'll be heading back to Virginia from here (Key West), and then in October we'll head out to Albuquerque, NM for the Balloon Festival and then onto Palm Springs, CA for the holidays. In January we'll leave Palm Springs traveling around the southwest during the winter until we head back to Virginia in April of 2016. So yeah, we need some dependable tires.

We also sustained damage to the AS (pictures below). The rear lower backside of the steel wheel well has a broken weld, the aluminum wheel well trim piece is bent, and the rounded aluminum panel behind the wheel well is crushed and torn. Our water heater door was also torn off. My DW found the door, but not the hinge. Which forum should I use to discuss this damage and get advice on locating a good place to take our AS for the exterior repairs? Is there a place in Florida?

Is anyone familiar with Out Of Doors Mart in North Carolina and their AS repair capability? I've tried speaking with them by phone, but have only played phone tag so far. I could drop the AS there for repairs on the way back to VA if they are qualified.

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Old 03-29-2015, 12:57 PM   #2
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Old 03-29-2015, 06:59 PM   #3
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Well. You have experienced the catastrophic failure. There are volumes here on the forum to read on this and the tires that are prone to such failures. I think the best remedy for this is to upgrade to 16" wheels and go for the Michelin's. I did it last year and have not looked back. When I removed my 4 GYM's that were on their 4th season and looked great one had already begun to fail on the inside where the tread is joining the sidewalls so I got it just in time. Catastrophic failure was gonna happen for me.

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Old 03-29-2015, 07:16 PM   #4
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Sorry to see that and hear about your tire troubles.

What's the total weight of your trailer loaded for camping? I use the 15" Michelin which carries up to 7940# for 4 tires (derated because they are passenger tires, not LT). Loaded for camping my trailer sees about 5800# so in addition to the 10% derating I still have plenty of headroom (some of the tire engineers here suggest 15%).

If not - then upgrading to 16" wheels/tires may make sense.

There are LOTS of threads in the forums about this. Try a Google search - you'll find several that have lots of info. Good luck!!!
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Old 03-29-2015, 07:26 PM   #5
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I, too am facing replacement of 5 year old GYM with sidewall showing earlt tread separation. These have barely 5k miles on them and meticulously maintained. Seeing the discussions about upping to 16" rims and tires, I also see a 2" diameter increase in the new set up. How does that work for you? It does not feel overly spacious now with the 15's.
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Old 03-29-2015, 07:39 PM   #6
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With all the discussions regarding tires on the forum are AS engineers/management in Jackson Center aware of the apparent challenges with the tires they are installing on these expensive trailers?

Is there a warranty on the tires?

Any discussion on upgrading the tires in the future?
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Old 03-29-2015, 08:29 PM   #7
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Doesn't sound to me like a problem inherent with TowMax STR tires. I have several friends that run some flavor of TowMax tires and have not had any issues. I would venture to guess that you ran over something that resulted in both curb-side tires blowing out.

Here we go again.
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Old 03-29-2015, 10:08 PM   #8
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For 15" rims try Yokohama RY 215 or Y 742s.

Both are LT tires rated at over 2,000 pounds per tire.


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Old 03-29-2015, 10:09 PM   #9
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Usually when you get that type of failure it is due to a loss of air as you drive down the highway. I will let others address the repair questions but I would strongly suggest some insurance in the form of a TPM system. With this warning device you have a good chance of learning about air loss before the tire is destroyed and damage is done to the RV. If caught early enough you might even save the tire if it is a simple puncture or valve related leak.
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Old 03-29-2015, 10:28 PM   #10
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Doesn't sound to me like a problem inherent with TowMax STR tires. I have several friends that run some flavor of TowMax tires and have not had any issues. I would venture to guess that you ran over something that resulted in both curb-side tires blowing out.

Here we go again.
Thanks to everyone so far, but I singled out PaulnGina because I wanted to address the blowout.

That morning I noticed that the front curb side tire looked a bit weird. Trying to describe it, the best I can come up with is that rather looking flat across the tread (side to side), the tread surface looked bowed or rounded side to side, making the tire look donut shaped in appearance, but not quite as pronounced as that. Anyway, I even pointed it out to my DW, but the tread did not seem unusually worn along the insides. My guess now is that it may have been delaminating. At that time, I was pretty sure it was failing and mentioned to her that I'd look into replacing it when we got home, but since the tread looked good and knowing next to nothing about tires I did not expect it to go so quick. Nor did I think it would take out the other tire tire as well.

The tire guy confirmed that the front tire blew first and the pressure of the burst caused the rear tire to pop as well. I did not include this information in my initial post to keep it as brief as possible.

BTW, where is the best place to post about repairing my exterior damages? The Exterior Restorations forum possibly? Suggestions appreciated.

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Old 03-29-2015, 11:19 PM   #11
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Usually when you get that type of failure it is due to a loss of air as you drive down the highway. I will let others address the repair questions but I would strongly suggest some insurance in the form of a TPM system. With this warning device you have a good chance of learning about air loss before the tire is destroyed and damage is done to the RV. If caught early enough you might even save the tire if it is a simple puncture or valve related leak.
As a matter of fact, I was using the the TST TPM system. There was no previous air loss. Pressures and temps had been looking good. When I heard the blowout it took me a second or two to react. When the front tire blew it broke the metal valve stem and blew the sensor to who knows where, I believe the warning beep I got was from the rear tire going flat, because the TPM was still intact on that tire. I can't say for sure I'm right, but the scenario went something like this: First I heard the blowout, then two or three seconds later the monitor began beeping. I did not have time to read the monitor, I was in traffic on US1 and immediately began looking for a safe place to pull off the highway, keeping in mind I needed to have safe access to my wheels, etc. Hind sight, I wish I had had the composure to look at my monitor.

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Old 03-30-2015, 02:05 AM   #12
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The cool thing about that damage is that it appears mostly confined to the painted portions of your trailer.

If it was my trailer I would straighten and repair the existing metal, use a little body filler and paint.

Buy the trim and the door you need to replace and call it a day for not a pile of cash.


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Report the tires to NHTSA and send TowMax the repair bill.
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This tire would work very well for you unless you travel with an anvil collection.
Michelin LTX M/S2 P235/75/15XL

The Yokohama RY215 that J. Morgan suggested is also a good choice.
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