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Old 05-17-2016, 04:08 PM   #71
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If 100 people on this forum have the same experience, it must have merit.
I was skeptical, too, until it happened to me.
No I'm a believer.
The folks on Airforums didn't convince me.
2 tire failures in 3 years on one trailer and 3 tire failures in 3 years on another trailer convinced me.
Yes, I have even had a couple of blowouts on Michelin tires, but overall I have never seen the number of tire failures on ST tires on P-rated or LT tires.
How many real world experiences does it take?
How many real world experiences with Firestone tires on Ford Explorers did it take?
How many real world experiences with Firestone tires on Ford Pintos did it take?
I guess it becomes more than anecdotal when a government agency steps in or there is a class action lawsuit?
Keep on using Goodyear Marathons and rotating them once a month if you want to.
I ain't mad at ya.
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Old 05-17-2016, 04:32 PM   #72
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I can't speak for anyone else on this forum. A key point for me is in the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards on tires. These standards specify tests that tires have to pass, things like "run on a roller at x% of rated load for y amount of time at a temperature of z". Standard 139 sets the requirements for LT and passenger car tires. Standard 109 is applies to ST tires. Standard 109 is significantly weaker. Meaning for an ST tire and and LT tire with the same weight rating written on the sidewall, the LT more likely run without failing.
I don't know why one standard would be higher than the other, I don't know what requirements were created for the standards. One is a trailer tire, the other is for vehicles that carry passengers. Although one is a tougher standard, it is for passenger vehicles and not for a trailer. Passenger vehicles are used daily, trailers can sit for long periods.

There is a standard for each tire, but is each tire tested to meet that standard or is there just a sampling of those tires tested for the respective standard? How many tires tested for each group failed to meet their standard? How many LT tires on trailers fail compared to ST tires on trailers? How many LT tires were sold to be used on trailers compared to all ST tires sold for the same time period?

Again, there just isn't enough data provided to the consumer to make a valid comparison. All we have is anecdotal evidence.... It doesn't really matter what tire you choose because you have not based your choice on any real evidence, just your experiences or someone else's experience who's opinion you value.

I'm no different, I'm the same as everyone else. I just wish we had access to that information so we could make an informed choice.

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Old 05-17-2016, 04:35 PM   #73
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I wouldn't be too sure. This forum is not representative of the Airstream community, statistically speaking. What I mean is there are many, many more satisfied Airstream owners out there that are not Airstream forum members.

Think about it. One of the reasons people come to a forum is to seek help for problems. It is like walking into a hospital, and asking "is anyone sick here"? And when you see all the raised hands, you think "there must be an epidemic". Something like that.

I don't discount the experiences told by fellow forum members. But I don't accept them as the definitive truth either without some compelling data to back them up. Between this, batteries cooking, filiform corrosion, water leaks, and other manner of "forum feedback", you would think the Airstream is the worst trailer ever built. When the fact is the opposite. 60% of all Airstreams ever built are still in use today. That data point speaks for itself.

If and when I suffer a tire failure, I will certainly consider swapping my 15" GYM for 16" Michelins. But I am not going to swap perfectly good tires that have not failed, as some have suggested and done, because of forum feedback absent some other supporting data.

For example, here is a recall of 100,000 Michelin tires due to blowout risk.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/recal...t-risk-388433/

This is not forum feedback. This is Michelin having done an actual recall some years back. How should I factor this into my tire selection calculation?

Just one data point. One of many.
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Old 05-17-2016, 04:42 PM   #74
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Excellent! Thanks MrPrez. That's even better than the blurb I found at Goodyear. I won't be going 75 but on flat land, 65-70 is just fine for me.

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Old 05-17-2016, 04:48 PM   #75
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Excellent! Thanks MrPrez. That's even better than the blurb I found at Goodyear. I won't be going 75 but on flat land, 65-70 is just fine for me.

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You betcha! 70 in short bursts is about as fast as I am going. Normally you'll find me in the right lane going 65. I'll get there sooner or later.
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Another source of info for the applicability of Michelin tires on trailers is to ask them which of their tires work on our trailers. Afterall they are in the business to sell tires and should be eager to let you know.
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Old 05-17-2016, 05:20 PM   #77
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Another source of info for the applicability of Michelin tires on trailers is to ask them which of their tires work on our trailers. Afterall they are in the business to sell tires and should be eager to let you know.
Their tires are not designed for use on trailers. Someone on here did ask them. If I recall right they did not recommend LT tires on a trailer.
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Old 05-17-2016, 08:24 PM   #78
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Since Airstream has installed the 16" SenDel T03-67655T wheels with the 16" Michelin LT225/75R16/E LTX M/S2 tires on the Eddie Bauer model for years, the Classics starting in 2015 and the limited edition Pendleton currently, they have experience and have to stand behind the installation. As one walks into the Customer Service Center at the factory, just inside the door is an example of these tires and wheels and the offer to install them on recent wide body models.

So one can safely say that these LT tires are trailer approved by Airstream. who has the most to loose if there are issues.
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Then I wonder why Michelin markets a set of tires specifically for RVs and it's not the LT tires.

http://www.michelintruck.com/tires-a...or/#!/info/xrv

"All-position radial designed specifically for exceptional performance on recreational vehicles and motor homes in coach applications."
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Upon closer inspection of your link, the tire diameters listed are for the large buses, very few if any towable RV trailers use tires with wheels larger than 16" in diameter.
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What does AS have to loose if there are issues? Are they going to pay for repairs? Your insurance will pay AS.
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Upon closer inspection of your link, the tire diameters listed are for the large buses, very few if any towable RV trailers use tires with wheels larger than 16" in diameter.
I understand. Which means Michelin does not manufacture tires for OUR RVs. We have chosen to use tires designed for other applications. Yet they make RV tires. Not in our size. Why not then select a tire manufacturer that does make RV tires in our size?
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Why Michelin? Because they do recall when they have a problem, because they do redesign and improve, because they are built to a higher standard than ST tires, and because I have never had a Michelin failure. Anecdotal, but valid. Your money, your anecdote. Pat
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Well, I hate to sound like a contrarian, but Goodyear has also recalled tires

https://www.goodyear.com/en-US/tires/recall

and I have never had a Goodyear tire failure. I did have a Michelin "failure", but it might have to do with me running over some concrete debris on the road. That doesn't count. Any brand of tire would have shredded just the same.

I don't mean to discount the negative Goodyear experiences many on this forum have had. Blowouts are blowouts. What I am saying is I would like to see some hard data before jumping on the bandwagon. And it would be nice if Michelin actually made tires for my RV rather than me picking light truck tires and making the decision that they are ok for my RV.
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