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Old 08-31-2012, 01:12 PM   #71
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Thanks for posting this. If you found that on the Internet and have a link, I would like to read it.

Up to this point, I have remained highly skeptical of the 5-7 year figure, because of the fact that all the quotes I have previously seen have been from companies whose livelihood depends on selling as many tires as possible. In addition, the 5-7 years does not match my life long experience with tires. It is true that tire manufacturers and dealers should be the most knowledgable on the subject, but they have a deep rooted interest in you replacing your tires.

I am not claiming that this proves anything. However I have been driving for over 50 years, and have never had a tire failure that was not due to a road hazard or my lack of judgment. Until a few days ago, when I upgraded my trailer tires, I have never replaced a tire until wear warranted it.

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Ken, The site I saw the reference to RVIA was on the Goodyear site and I couldn't find the link. I tried the RVIA site and Couldn't find any info, might have to be a member? I found two other links that supports the statementwww.safety research.net/safety-issues/tires/ and www.rvtravel.com/publish/RV_tire_survey_stirs... The safety research site has a PDF that was submitted to the NHTSA and on June 2, 2008 a consumer advisory was issued if I read it correctly. Also Good Sam has done a survey and came up with the same recommendation. I know it's not the original data but it's good enough for me. 5-7 years replacement at $700-$800 Or $100 bucks per year increase in operating costs pales at all other costs.

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Old 08-31-2012, 01:29 PM   #72
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The Arizona heat, large number of sunny days, outdoor storage, etc., usually causes tires to show signs of severe weather checking by years 5-7. .
This brings another point to mind. You can bet your life that the figures published by tire manufacturers are going to be for the absolute worst case environment a tire will be subjected to in its intended use (for liability purposes). That is what I would say you have described. I lived all my life in western Washington until slightly after my 50th birthday. That is probably the most forgiving environment for a tire. So this begs the question; Why should a driver living in a mild (as far as tire abuse is concerned) environment change his tires based on the worst case scenario?

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Old 08-31-2012, 01:39 PM   #73
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Thanks for posting this. If you found that on the Internet and have a link, I would like to read it.

Up to this point, I have remained highly skeptical of the 5-7 year figure, because of the fact that all the quotes I have previously seen have been from companies whose livelihood depends on selling as many tires as possible. In addition, the 5-7 years does not match my life long experience with tires. It is true that tire manufacturers and dealers should be the most knowledgable on the subject, but they have a deep rooted interest in you replacing your tires.

I am not claiming that this proves anything. However I have been driving for over 50 years, and have never had a tire failure that was not due to a road hazard or my lack of judgment. Until a few days ago, when I upgraded my trailer tires, I have never replaced a tire until wear warranted it.

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Hi, Ken. I agreee with you about the tire companies wanting to sell more tires by out dating them. The only place that I saw the 5 to 7 year tire replacement recommendation in print was in my wife's BMW ownwer's manual. I have never had any problems with any of my car or truck tires, but I replaced four trailer tires before failure.
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Old 09-13-2012, 08:02 PM   #74
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GYM Blowout with Tread Separation - Photo

I said I'd never look back at GYM failures after switching to 16-inch wheels and Michelin XPS Ribs. However, I was looking through old photos today and ran across this one. -- Ahhh, fond memories...

The Airstream Tire Failure Poll indicates a 55% failure rate on ST tires, but I had two failures on two GYMs, same day. That's 100% in my book. Switched to Maxxis, and one of two failed in less than a year and 3,000 miles; that's 50%. I never had to worry about replacing ST tires due to age, because they failed long before they ever showed any signs of weather-checking or dry rot.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f438...oll-76867.html

I'll gladly buy new LT tires when they age out, as it is worth it to avoid blowouts and tread separation on the road.
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Old 10-21-2012, 07:29 PM   #75
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I'm sorry in advance... but I had good luck with the GYM's from Canada until I finally replaced them this past August and September with all new GYM's from China. The originals came down the line on the 44th week of 2005 and were installed on my Safari in November or December of 2005 when I took delivery a few days before Christmas 2005. Other than a couple of nails or screws along the way, they held up well on a couple of trips to New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado and also all over Texas. We did have one tire shred in July 2012 coming back from the beach but I figured 12,000 to 14,000 miles over the 7 years they have been on the trailer wasn't bad. They were starting to show drying and cracking and the local dealer even showed me where there had been numerous splices in the belt during the manufacturing. I was well aware of the reputation but I think there are just as many positive as there are negative experiences with all kinds of tires. Our camping friends pulled a 31 foot SOB with what I always considered to be undersize tires for the weight they were pulling. Plus, he always drove at high speed leaving us behind, and he always suffered as many as three flats or shreds on a single trip. When storing the rigs, ours was always parked on concrete and covered to shield the sun, his was always parked on the soil and never covered. We hope to have a good second experience with GYM's.
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Old 10-21-2012, 07:38 PM   #76
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I'm sorry in advance... but I had good luck with the GYM's from Canada until I finally replaced them this past August and September with all new GYM's from China. The originals came down the line on the 44th week of 2005 and were installed on my Safari in November or December of 2005 when I took delivery a few days before Christmas 2005. Other than a couple of nails or screws along the way, they held up well on a couple of trips to New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado and also all over Texas. We did have one tire shred in July 2012 coming back from the beach but I figured 12,000 to 14,000 miles over the 7 years they have been on the trailer wasn't bad. They were starting to show drying and cracking and the local dealer even showed me where there had been numerous splices in the belt during the manufacturing. I was well aware of the reputation but I think there are just as many positive as there are negative experiences with all kinds of tires. Our camping friends pulled a 31 foot SOB with what I always considered to be undersize tires for the weight they were pulling. Plus, he always drove at high speed leaving us behind, and he always suffered as many as three flats or shreds on a single trip. When storing the rigs, ours was always parked on concrete and covered to shield the sun, his was always parked on the soil and never covered. We hope to have a good second experience with GYM's.
I hope you carry good insurance on your camper. You may want to weld in some boiler plate inside your fender wells.
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Old 10-22-2012, 06:07 AM   #77
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There are thousands (if not millions) of GYMs on the road that have never had an issue. Happy customers usually do not seek out obscure web sites to praise a product. On the other hand a few unhappy customers do.
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Old 10-22-2012, 07:17 AM   #78
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There are thousands (if not millions) of people out there that have never had cancer. Happy people usually do not seek out obscure web sites to praise there health. On the other hand a few unhappy individuals do.

The fact that that site happens to be one you frequent should not preclude them from posting. They may be doing you a service.
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Or they may be just venting without giving all the facts. Such as: over inflation, excessive speed, lack of PM, etc.
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I have, however, worked with the stats (within our warranty department) as well as lived in the automotive service environment for more than long enough to understand this issue is large enough to take heed. It is much more than a little blip on the radar screen. "where there's smoke...." And there is a LOT of smoke surrounding this issue.
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Old 10-22-2012, 08:03 AM   #81
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+1 I run the same tires and love them.

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Old 10-22-2012, 08:52 PM   #82
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Unhappy 15" GYM sidewall blowout

Well add me to the GYM sidewall blowout club. Wife and I were returning from camping at Stone Mountain GA and the Highland Games and had just crossed the Alabama state line on I 85 with our OB Bambi (single axle) and I noticed the truck having to drop a gear up a slight grade. This was unusual and I looked out my outside mirror and saw shreds of rubber coming from the wheel well. I noticed no steering problems and pulled off the side of the road right after the Welcome Station...couldn't make it safely. The driver's side wheel sidewall was non-existent...the tread wrapped around the wheel. Damage to the underbody was slight but will still have to be repaired. The wheel did it's job but is not useable now. Think I'll go to Michelin's next...their quality control is excellent. I had it at an Airstream dealer in NC recently and he asked me if I had any problems with the GYM? I said no...they had performed well.

Thanks to my Guardian Angel and one that showed up to help me, we got back on the road and made it home without incident.
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Well, y'all have convinced me. I'm gonna get Michelins.

All I have to do now is rob a bank to pay for 'em!
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Well, y'all have convinced me. I'm gonna get Michelins.

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