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Old 08-29-2012, 01:00 PM   #57
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Michelin LTX M/S LT225/75 R16E is the tire that we put on Lucy in November of 2010. Since that time they have logged right at 35,000 miles. We have experienced no tire problems, and they never seem to lose any air pressure. They also have no discernible tread wear. After my horrible ST tire experiences, I could not be more pleased.

I took this photo of the tread wear a few moments ago.

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Old 08-30-2012, 06:48 AM   #58
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Say, have you noticed the new A/S Eddie Bower edition has 16" Michelins on them.
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Old 08-30-2012, 07:34 AM   #59
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We have Carlisle 15" tires on ours. Our long-term plan is to buy 16" wheels and LT tires for it, just to avoid the headache, and our wheels aren't in great cosmetic shape anyway. We've had two flat tires in the one year we've owned the trailer, but neither of those were due to poor tire manufacturing - one was due to a screw in the tread, the other was a blowout on a tire that turned out to be 8 years old instead of the 3 we were led to believe (I hate it when the date codes are on the inside).
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Old 08-30-2012, 02:25 PM   #60
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We have Carlisle 15" tires on ours. Our long-term plan is to buy 16" wheels and LT tires for it, just to avoid the headache, and our wheels aren't in great cosmetic shape anyway. We've had two flat tires in the one year we've owned the trailer, but neither of those were due to poor tire manufacturing - one was due to a screw in the tread, the other was a blowout on a tire that turned out to be 8 years old instead of the 3 we were led to believe (I hate it when the date codes are on the inside).
I am taking my old rims and Carlisle tires off today, and putting the new 16" rims and Michelin tires on.. I had no problems with my Carlisle's and they are 7 years old with well over 10,000 + miles. There is some wear on them though. I to didn't want to have to worry about tires again either.
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Old 08-30-2012, 02:48 PM   #61
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I am reading a lot about all these tire issues, is anyone using Nitrogen in their tires instead of Air? Seems like that might solve some problems like it does in TVs.
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Old 08-30-2012, 11:35 PM   #62
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Hi, Brian / moosetags, and anyone else who switched to Michelin 16"ers; Will you replace these tires at seven years? Or what is the plan if you have one?
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Old 08-31-2012, 02:04 AM   #63
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Michelin XPS Ribs, 225/75x16:

We will take a very close look at weather-checking and obvious age defects in years 5, 6 and 7, assuming these tires still have tread left on them. If they last through age 7, we will replace them regardless of tread depth, unless for some reason our Bambi is permanently parked.

As far as I am concerned, if we have had no catastrophic tire failures during this period, we will have gotten our money's worth out of them. And, purchasing new tires just extends this period another 7 years.
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Hi, Brian / moosetags, and anyone else who switched to Michelin 16"ers; Will you replace these tires at seven years? Or what is the plan if you have one?
We put the Michelin 16's on Lucy in November of 2010. Since that time, we have logged a little over 34,000 miles on these tires. Even though they show very little tread wear at this point, I can't see them lasting more than two more years at our current travel rate. I do think that I would replace them after seven years regardless of wear.

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Wouldn't replacement at 7 (or another number) years depend on condition of the tires? Weather is different all over the country, some vehicles are stored under cover, some driven hard.

For example the Michelins on our 2006 Jetta look as nice as new, low miles, always garaged, cool Minnesota climate; 7 years old but like new. Tires on the boat trailer were serviceable after 20 years, held air and didn't blow out (is there more?).

Seems to me environment and severity of use makes a difference.

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Wouldn't replacement at 7 (or another number) years depend on condition of the tires? Weather is different all over the country, some vehicles are stored under cover, some driven hard.

For example the Michelins on our 2006 Jetta look as nice as new, low miles, always garaged, cool Minnesota climate; 7 years old but like new. Tires on the boat trailer were serviceable after 20 years, held air and didn't blow out (is there more?).

Seems to me environment and severity of use makes a difference.

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Rubber degrades regardless of environment over time. Being in the weather quickens this process but it does happen. Tires may look new after 7 years but may only have 5/8 the strength of when they were new. I rock climb and replace my carabiners every 5 years regardless of looks. You can't see micro cracks and my life depends on them.

Same goes for tires. Your life can depend on them. As far as your boat trailer goes, I'm guessing you don't haul it very far. Take it on a 300 mile trip down the highway at 65 mph and I'm sure you will lose a few tires. After 20 years I would be surprised if they have 1/4 of their strength left. Rubber back then was as good as it is today.
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Old 08-31-2012, 09:49 AM   #67
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I'm afraid that I can't agree that really old tires are as good as they look. I have had vintage automobiles since high school, and never had any problems driving around on 30+ year old tires. Very little of this driving around was what I would call "highway driving". Then I had a bad experience with our 1981 DeLorean. At the time, the car was about 15 years old, and had about 16,000 miles on it. It had always been garage kept. It had the original OEM Goodyears, and they looked like brand new. SuEllyn was driving the DeLorean on I-95 in Jacksonville. I was following her in another vehicle. We were traveling at about 70 MPH. All of a sudden, the DeLorean's left rear tire exploded. The outer sidewall had blown out.

At the time, I did some research with Goodyear, and was told by a tire engineer that tire structure disintegrates with time, and that tires become questionable after six years of age regardless of wear.

I still have old tires on my antique vehicle. The tires on my Thunderbird are at least twenty years old, but it is not driven at highway speeds.

I just wouldn't trust old tires on the Airstream.

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I've been following this thread trying to figure what new tires to purchase. The PO had Marathons and I replaced one years back because they had signs of sidewalk cracking. The trailer was in for inspection and the mechanic noticed the hairline cracks. It never dawned on me that there was a life expectancy other than tread wear. So after following this thread I am going to replace all 5 tires. I validated the 5-7 year replacement recommendation, the RVIA (Rec.VehicleIndustry Assoc.) Recommends, based on statistical failure rates all trailer tires should be replaced every 5-7 years regardless of brand. Use, storage, environment all have effects on tire life. So, I'll be trying Maxxis if I can locate locally. If I can't find them I am considering staying with Marathons as I have not had an issue with them. I checked the date code and it looks like the tires were mfg. 1997. 15 years old and they still "look" good. Needless to say that the Excella will be off the road until I get new rubber. Thanks for all the new found trailer tire knowledge and keeping me, mine and yours safer on the road.

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I validated the 5-7 year replacement recommendation, the RVIA (Rec.VehicleIndustry Assoc.) Recommends, based on statistical failure rates all trailer tires should be replaced every 5-7 years regardless of brand. Use, storage, environment all have effects on tire life.

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Thanks for posting this. If you found that on the Internet and have a link, I would like to read it.

Up to this point, I have remained highly skeptical of the 5-7 year figure, because of the fact that all the quotes I have previously seen have been from companies whose livelihood depends on selling as many tires as possible. In addition, the 5-7 years does not match my life long experience with tires. It is true that tire manufacturers and dealers should be the most knowledgable on the subject, but they have a deep rooted interest in you replacing your tires.

I am not claiming that this proves anything. However I have been driving for over 50 years, and have never had a tire failure that was not due to a road hazard or my lack of judgment. Until a few days ago, when I upgraded my trailer tires, I have never replaced a tire until wear warranted it.

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The Arizona heat, large number of sunny days, outdoor storage, etc., usually causes tires to show signs of severe weather checking by years 5-7. On our 2002 Prius, I have twice replaced sets of tires with 10-20,000 miles of tread left on them due to age; as I felt it was unsafe to drive on them at 110-115 degrees ambient air temperature and sustained 75 mph speeds.

From tire failure posts and poll data, it appears that most ST tires wear out before the 20,000 mile mark, assuming they haven't previously failed. So, replacing ST tires due to age may be a moot point.

However, there are several posts that indicate LT tire mileage of 25-35,000 miles with lots of tread still remaining. And, since many Airstream owners are not retired and/or full-timers, it is unlikely the tread on most LT tires (especially Michelins) will wear out before they start to show severe weather checking -- at least here in Arizona and the southwest desert areas.

Since the failure mode for old tires in Arizona is a blowout and/or tread separation, it just isn't worth the risk to ride on old tires when Airstream wheel wells are so easily damaged. For our 19-foot Bambi, the potential repair cost for blowout damage exceeds that of two new Michelin XPS Ribs; and I'd rather buy two new tires than tow our Airstream to Jackson Center for repairs.
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