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Old 07-12-2007, 01:57 PM   #43
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Maybe, just maybe I was right.
I see some tire failures in the forums here but these are not showing up as complaints on the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration's web site.
If you experience a tire failure report it. We are paying these people to investigate these things.
Go to the NHTSA website:

IVOQ - File a Complaint

And report the failure. Help us all.
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Old 07-12-2007, 02:26 PM   #44
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Who did you talk to in the NHTSA. I still have the ST tires that failed on me.
I would be happy to donate them to the cause.
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Hi Beginner,

I spoke with a data entry specialist at NHTSA who said I would get a call within a couple of weeks from an investigator. I will update when I hear back from NHTSA. The data entry person has already called back once and requested more information. Are your tires still on rims and inflated? I think that our situation is unique in that I have two separated Marathons still on rims and inflated. I'm sure that if we now drove another 10 miles they would destruct. A shredded tire is probably not very useful because how could the investigator tell whether the tire separated and shredded or the tire was first punctured with a nail, deflated, and flew apart? I don't think a tire manufacturer should be responsible for tires destroyed by foreign object punctures. But tire belt separation, as in our case, is a totally different animal.

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Old 07-12-2007, 02:31 PM   #45
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Tread Seperation

I will call tomorrow as it is late today.
One tire is off the rim. It did not shread but the steel belt is hanging out between two of the tread lugs. Other than that and the fact that it will not hold air, its looks like an ok tire.
The other one is mounted, I lowered the air pressure in it incase it decided to let go.
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Old 07-12-2007, 02:34 PM   #46
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I'd like to see this a permanent thread

that is always floating in the main list because it's so important. This is not only about saving property, it's about saving lives. A blow-out on a single axle is a much more dangerous scenario than on a double axle. Plus, if you follow the links I provided you see that putting Goodyears on your TV could put you at risk as well. And, for those with MoHos there's issues with those tires too. As for the NTSB...another useless agency probably ulitmately controlled by the corporations it should be protecting us from. I filed a complaint and heard nothing. Sadly, at some point, the only way change will happen is with a high profile tragedy or a super-ballsy lawfirm garnering lots of media publicity for a class action suit.
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Old 07-12-2007, 02:38 PM   #47
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Are you doing anything with the spare?
At the moment I will keep one of the 15 in. tires with an original wheel as a spare. I don't go any fearther on a spare than to the next tire shop. $250.00+ to hang under the trailer is a bit much.
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Old 07-12-2007, 02:44 PM   #48
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If anyone knows of an independent testing lab for tires I would like to know . I have 2 BF Goodrich Commercial TA tires that are 18 years old . They look perfect but I don't have xray vision . According to all the Sage's , they should have been cracked, bulged , seperated , and blown apart by now .
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I will call tomorrow as it is late today.
One tire is off the rim. It did not shread but the steel belt is hanging out between two of the tread lugs. Other than that and the fact that it will not hold air, its looks like an ok tire.
The other one is mounted, I lowered the air pressure in it incase it decided to let go.
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Hi Beginner,

Just so you know, I did not call the NHSTA until 8 pm ETZ last night. My wife was amazed that I was able to talk to a government bureaucrat so late in the evening. I put the bad tires back on the trailer so I could lower the jack. I've already heard from Sam's club , and our order of 4 Michelins have already arrived; now we are just waiting for the wheels to arrive by UPS. In the back of my mind I waiting to hear an explosion coming from the direction of the trailer. I'm scared/chicken to walk by the trailer with that tire ballooned to such a degree. But I don't want to mess with the pressure until I talk with the NHTSA investigator. I hope I've made the right decision?

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Old 07-12-2007, 04:09 PM   #50
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Hi Beginner,

Just so you know, I did not call the NHSTA until 8 pm ETZ last night. My wife was amazed that I was able to talk to a government bureaucrat so late in the evening. I put the bad tires back on the trailer so I could lower the jack. I've already heard from Sam's club , and our order of 4 Michelins have already arrived; now we are just waiting for the wheels to arrive by UPS. In the back of my mind I waiting to hear an explosion coming from the direction of the trailer. I'm scared/chicken to walk by the trailer with that tire ballooned to such a degree. But I don't want to mess with the pressure until I talk with the NHTSA investigator. I hope I've made the right decision?

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Paul a minor question. You are getting new tires from Sam's and it sounds like you are taking the trailer there to get them mounted. I heard that Sam's will not mount any tire unless the vehicle is inside the facility. I figured if I used them for tires, I'd have to pull the wheels and drop them off for them to do.

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Hi Jcanavera,

I will be taking the rims, sans trailer, to Sam's. The trailer will stay at home waiting for the new tires. I've had problems with warehouse clubs doing a good job in the past. For example, a couple years ago I took our Honda Odyssey minivan to Costco for new tires. The next day we took the van to the mountains of Western North Carolina for a day trip. Coming back down the hill we experienced teeth rattling vibration while applying the brakes. Come to find out that the tire techs tightened the lug nuts to around 200 ft./lbs. and warped the rotors. Consequently, I do the important stuff on our vechicles and trailers, like torqueing the lug nuts to spec, myself.

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Hi Jcanavera,
For example, a couple years ago I took our Honda Odyssey minivan to Costco for new tires. The next day we took the van to the mountains of Western North Carolina for a day trip. Coming back down the hill we experienced teeth rattling vibration while applying the brakes. Come to find out that the tire techs tightened the lug nuts to around 200 ft./lbs. and warped the rotors. Consequently, I do the important stuff on our vechicles and trailers, like torqueing the lug nuts to spec, myself.

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I know our local Sam's is doing a pretty good job. They state what they will torque the lugs to. I watch them use a torque wrench to hit the proper torque. Then another tech goes back and does a double check. I like that. Glad to hear you are only bringing rims. Obviously when it's tire time for me, I'll probably end up taking one wheel off of each side. Get those two done. Mount the tires back and pull the other two, again one off each side. Not the most speedy process but it will work.

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My experience with Sam's is they will not do a trailer but will put tires on if you bring them the wheel . If they did they would probably jack on the axle ( ouch ) or any other convienent place ( ouch ouch ). I was waiting and watching at the door , didn't see any torque wrenches being used . Maybe your Sam's is better at that .
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A torque wrench is far to time consuming and expensive for any shop to use. At best they will use a Torque Stick with an impact wrench.

A torque stick is an extension used with an impact wrench that limits the force the wrench can tranmit to the lug nut. These sticks are calibrated to different torques and color coded. I do not know the code off hand so i will not suggest one. If you see a tech using an impact wrench without and extension you can assume he is doing it wrong.

For my new wheels I will buy and carry my own torque stick for use at home and if needed on the road.
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I was waiting and watching at the door , didn't see any torque wrenches being used . Maybe your Sam's is better at that .
Interesting. I figured if they did this at mine, they did it at all. They even have a spot on the receipt that they write in what they torqued to and two techs initial it has been checked. They do use actual torque wrenches. I've seen them use wrenches and truly two different guys do the check. Wish more tire dealers were like this.

Also a few other tidbits if you didn't know this. They also fix flats for free for members (even if you didn't buy the tire from them). If you didn't buy your tires from them, they will rotate and balance your tires for a flat $15. A nice perk.

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FWIW, I carry my torque wrench with me on every trip.
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