Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 04-24-2015, 06:32 PM   #99
Rivet Master
 
J. Morgan's Avatar

 
1972 31' Sovereign
1975 31' Excella 500
Currently Looking...
Benton , Arkansas
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 5,044
Images: 11
And a lot more "disposable" products....


1/2 Ton 4WD Truck, 72 Sovereign Hensley Arrow
__________________

__________________
The fact that I am opinionated does not presuppose that I am wrong......

J. Morgan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2015, 07:05 PM   #100
Rivet Master
 
Currently Looking...
K.C. , Missouri
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 585
Quote:
Originally Posted by J. Morgan View Post
And a lot more "disposable" products....


1/2 Ton 4WD Truck, 72 Sovereign Hensley Arrow
True that. But I suspect you'd agree that, as an example, the modern high strength steel alloys ( materials science ) used in production are better than ever, and the ability to CAD model the stresses ( more efficient engineering ) have made for a better more evolved product in many cases ( notice I say "many cases", not "all cases" ).

Now then....when we go to a third world country and bring peasants in from the fields to mass produce a given product line....well....we may not end up with what we hope for.
__________________

__________________
gmw photos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2015, 07:09 AM   #101
1 Rivet Member
 
2016 27' Eddie Bauer
Plantersville , Texas
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 11
Update goodyear now at 100% failure rate and they don't care

The last original Goodyear tire on the trailer has now failed. The same defect as the other three. Goodyear is now 4 for 4 on my trailer after 17 months of use. This is on top of the $8,000.00 in damages to the trailer when the third tire blew out. The Goodyear store gave the same song and dance as the other three tires. No more Goodyear products for me. The pictures below show the tire failure on the 4th tire, the same thing happened on the other three.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_5534.jpg
Views:	123
Size:	382.0 KB
ID:	241634   Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_5532.jpg
Views:	124
Size:	487.5 KB
ID:	241635  

__________________
bladesmith2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2015, 07:24 AM   #102
Rivet Master
 
Silverflames's Avatar

 
1969 29' Ambassador
brooksville , Florida
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,262
Are these LTs or ST tires?
__________________
Not all those who wonder are lost.
Silverflames is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2015, 07:26 AM   #103
Rivet Master
 
Currently Looking...
Nowhere , Somewhere
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 6,417
Blog Entries: 2
Marathons are original equipment ST tires.
__________________
avionstream is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2015, 07:56 AM   #104
Rivet Master
 
AWCHIEF's Avatar
 
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi , Mississippi
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 8,135
Images: 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by bladesmith2 View Post
The last original Goodyear tire on the trailer has now failed. The same defect as the other three. Goodyear is now 4 for 4 on my trailer after 17 months of use. This is on top of the $8,000.00 in damages to the trailer when the third tire blew out. The Goodyear store gave the same song and dance as the other three tires. No more Goodyear products for me. The pictures below show the tire failure on the 4th tire, the same thing happened on the other three.

Maybe it is just me or the lighting or something but what are we looking at with theses pictures? What are your inflation pressures and driving speed?
__________________
MICHAEL

Do you know what a learning experience is? A learning experience is one of those things that says "You know that thing that you just did? Don't do that."
AWCHIEF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2015, 09:36 AM   #105
Rivet Master
 
Currently Looking...
K.C. , Missouri
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 585
Quote:
Originally Posted by bladesmith2 View Post
The last original Goodyear tire on the trailer has now failed. The same defect as the other three. Goodyear is now 4 for 4 on my trailer after 17 months of use. This is on top of the $8,000.00 in damages to the trailer when the third tire blew out. The Goodyear store gave the same song and dance as the other three tires. No more Goodyear products for me. The pictures below show the tire failure on the 4th tire, the same thing happened on the other three.
So the question is, what size are they ( 14" ? 15" ? ) and what are you going to replace them with ?
Not pointing any fingers, but often what we hear is folks taking one junky tire off, and simply replacing with a different brand of junky tire. One has to wonder how much of an improvement that may be ?
__________________
gmw photos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2015, 04:21 PM   #106
Rivet Master
Commercial Member
 
Ravenna , Ohio
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 690
Quote:
Originally Posted by bladesmith2 View Post
The last original Goodyear tire on the trailer has now failed. The same defect as the other three. Goodyear is now 4 for 4 on my trailer after 17 months of use. This is on top of the $8,000.00 in damages to the trailer when the third tire blew out. The Goodyear store gave the same song and dance as the other three tires. No more Goodyear products for me. The pictures below show the tire failure on the 4th tire, the same thing happened on the other three.
The pictures seem to indicate a tread and/or belt separation. Have you recorded the full DOT serial and filed a complaint for each tire with NHTSA?

I have a post on my blog Dec 24 2012 with a similar example along with the results of an autopsy. The post includes two links of actions taken by the owner.

Complaints on RV forums might make some feel better but they will not help improve the quality of the tires the RV industry buys or forces TT to use.

NHTSA needs facts and full DOT serial in quantity before they can consider taking action.
__________________
Retired tire engineer (40 years). Write a blog on RV tires.
Tireman9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2015, 11:35 PM   #107
1 Rivet Member
 
2016 27' Eddie Bauer
Plantersville , Texas
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 11
Goodyear Marathon tires 100% falure rate

The tires were on a 2014 Classic Limited, they were 15" Goodyear Marathon trailer tires. I check the pressure each morning before I pull out, I also look the tires over closely at the beginning of each day on the road. That is how I caught 3 of the failed Goodyear tires before they caused damage to the Airstream. The one that actually Blew-out looked fine that morning, air pressure was fine at 65psi. Looked fine three hours later when I stopped for Fuel, felt of all 4 tires temperature felt ok no obvious problems were visible. 60 or so more miles on down the road the tire blew-out while crossing a narrow bridge in Louisiana. I was driving 70MPH. It sounded like a shotgun going off then I saw the tread fly up in the air after it caused $8,000 in damages to the trailer. I have my tire gauge marked at 65psi so it is easy to check the pressure. Yes I drive fast I have pulled my trailer at up to 85MPH it pulls great. Airstream customer service told me they do not have a speed limit on the trailer. Yes it does burn more fuel at that speed 9.8 MPG. Yes the speed limit on some roads in Texas is 85mph. I think Goodyear should not make or sell any tires they are not going to stand behind. I now have Carlisle load range E trailer tires (also made in China), just drove from Kerrville Tx to ElPaso Tx at 80 to 85 mph both ways with no problems. I felt of the tires several times they were fine. I just purchased 16" wheels and going to change over to Michelin LT225/75R16/E tires as soon as I get the trailer out of the shop. I am concerned when it comes to the 15" trailer tires, at this point I do not trust any of them. I told the last Goodyear person I will never buy another Goodyear product and will work on others to do likewise. The Goodyear person did not care about the 4th tire I showed him, he said it was made in USA but was surprised when I pointed out the made in China label. Next he told me that the factory in China makes excellent tires. This tire is the same one that I posted a picture of previously. In my opinion that is a defective tire, it is coming apart just like the other three did. 100% failure rate in less than 2 years. My Airstream is in the shop at this time getting the damage repaired that was caused by the defective Goodyear tire.
__________________
bladesmith2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2015, 06:19 AM   #108
Rivet Master
 
SteveSueMac's Avatar

 
2012 27' Flying Cloud
W , New England
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 5,409
Isn't a Classic very heavy? The GYMs I had on my Flying Cloud were in theory capable of 10,000# capacity on a 6000# trailer so tons of headroom. I'm not one of the tire experts here but i would think if your trailer pushes at the weight capacity boundaries, driving over Goodyear's stated 65 mph limit compounds the likelihood of a failure. The 16" Michelins you're looking at should have enough weight capacity and a higher speed limit to accommodate your style of driving. But I'd also recommend staying under 65 even with the new sneakers 😃

Good luck!
__________________
SteveSueMac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2015, 06:26 AM   #109
Moderator
 
jcanavera's Avatar

 
2004 30' Classic Slideout
Fenton , Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 9,002
Images: 143
Send a message via AIM to jcanavera Send a message via Skype™ to jcanavera
Goodyear Marathon Tires

Any ST tire built today has a 65 mpg speed rating. That rating is based on the tires ability to dissipate heat while rolling. So while you can keep pressures up to properly carry your trailer's load, speeds over may cause excessive heat which can will ultimately lead to failure. Keep in mind the heat build up is naturally caused by the flexing of a tire while it rolls plus air and road surface temperatures. The faster the tire rolls the more heat is generated. If you notice Airstream notes that you can tow with a tandem axle trailer on three wheels if you lose a tire, but keeping the speed down to 45 mph. One of the reasons is because a that speed rating has another component which is the load factor. According to a tire safety class that I attended, a slower turning tire can actually carry a load that is higher than its max capacity, if the speed is reduced. Less flexing means less heat. Towing with a missing tire means that the single tire is most likely carrying more that it's max capacity. If one would plot a tires capacity on a graph, you would see a downward slope as tire speeds increase. That's why if you drive fast, the LT tire is a better choice. Heat is your major issue. You generate it by speed based on flexing of the tire. You also affect the amount of flex based on inflation pressure.

Jack
__________________
Jack Canavera
STL Mo.
AIR #56
'04 Classic 30' S.O.,'03 GMC Savana 2500,'14 Honda CTX 700
jcanavera is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2015, 07:24 AM   #110
CapriRacer
 
CapriRacer's Avatar
 
I'm in the , US
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 624
OK, so now we have an explanation for the failures - too fast.

2 thoughts: It appears there are lots of folks you are not getting the word about the speed limitation on ST tires. It ought to come from a) the trailer manufacturer (unless they have done something to make it a moot point, like over-size the tires), and from b) the tire manufacturer, who ought to put the info in large letters on the sidewall - and perhaps a sticker that should be handed to the purchaser.

Also, we are talking about a fatigue type failure. These types of failures occur as a result of many miles worth of travel, followed by a sequence of events that leads to a catastrophic failure - ergo, you can years of good service, then what appears to be a sudden failure.
__________________
CapriRacer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2015, 08:13 AM   #111
CLOUDSPLITTER "Tahawas"
 
ROBERT CROSS's Avatar

 
2003 25' Classic
Zanadude Nebula , WNY
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 11,153
Images: 1
"My Airstream is in the shop at this time getting the damage repaired that was caused by the defective Goodyear tire."

I would agree with CR that speed was a important factor.
Un-related defects not withstanding.



"Airstream customer service told me they do not have a speed limit on the trailer."

The speed of the trailer is limited by the rating of the tire, a constant, and common sense....a variable.

...GYM, 12 yrs, 2 sets, one nail.
__________________
ROBERT CROSS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2015, 08:40 AM   #112
Rivet Master
 
AWCHIEF's Avatar
 
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi , Mississippi
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 8,135
Images: 33
Observation
Some seem proud of driving to fast for the GYMs and can not understand why they fail. Instead of blaming the product or the country of origin how about taking personal responsibility.
__________________

__________________
MICHAEL

Do you know what a learning experience is? A learning experience is one of those things that says "You know that thing that you just did? Don't do that."
AWCHIEF is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Bad Marathon, Bad Marathon ROBERTSUNRUS Tires 45 11-01-2015 04:46 PM
GoodYear Marathon ST Tires and NHTSA 762x51 Tires 31 07-31-2013 07:59 AM
Goodyear Marathon Tires Ins. Man Tires 48 11-13-2011 07:57 AM
Goodyear Marathon Source Jabba Tires 28 02-22-2004 12:16 PM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:41 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.