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Old 02-05-2012, 10:21 AM   #113
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A tire can't really "explode" unless it's a split rim. That is nothing will come flying off. If it burst or the rim bead gave way it will certainly "sound" like an explosion though! When tire pieces form shrapnel going down the highway it's because of the rotation of the tire flinging off bits.

Since you have to deflate to install might as well have that step taken care of. I believe manufacturers recommend long term storage at a lower pressure anyway (when not supporting the vehicle weight). And if it's sitting out in the sun it's possible the tire compartment is going to be warmer than when you inflated the tire creating higher pressure.
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Old 02-05-2012, 11:44 AM   #114
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We had an identical problem with the Goodyear Marathons, fortunately with no damage. After quite a bit of research I changed to 16" wheels and Michelin XPS rib tires. Personally I will never again have any brand of ST tires on any trailer I own. Good luck with the repairs. Jerry
Hi Jerry, I have a 2004 classic w/s. I had the same problem with Carlisle tires and had thousands of dollars of damage done. When you changed to 16" wheels and XPS tires did you have to do any mods to the wheel well areas etc?? I want to replace my existing setup to exactly your upgrade.
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:19 AM   #115
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A tire can't really "explode" unless it's a split rim. That is nothing will come flying off. If it burst or the rim bead gave way it will certainly "sound" like an explosion though! When tire pieces form shrapnel going down the highway it's because of the rotation of the tire flinging off bits.

Since you have to deflate to install might as well have that step taken care of. I believe manufacturers recommend long term storage at a lower pressure anyway (when not supporting the vehicle weight). And if it's sitting out in the sun it's possible the tire compartment is going to be warmer than when you inflated the tire creating higher pressure.
POI...IF and only IF you NOTICE the tire flapping, gently apply just your trailer brakes , thus stopping the offending wheel. Get to the shoulder ASAP.

ummm... how to apply the the brake automatically on one tire if it looses pressure on a multi-axle unit???? .... or maybe just some three inch spikes sticking down to rip it off before it smashes everything up.

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Old 02-18-2012, 10:25 AM   #116
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I think the idea of applying the trailer brakes is a good one. It is not the need to have independent control of the tire that is flat. Since the tire is flat and has less contact with the road surface the chances are good that when you apply the trailer brakes the tire will stop rotating or at least be slowed down significantly where it may not cause significant damage. Even if it is stopped completely and drags on the road, the goal of preventing damage to the trailer has been accomplished.
The biggest problem I see is recognizing the fact that there is a tire problem. By the time you see it on the pressure monitoring system it could be too late. It is very hard to see the condition of the tires when traveling down the road. I find I can make limited observation with the rear view mirrors when turning but it's difficult to see the tires when the trailer is directly behind the TV.
Has anyone considered using wireless cameras to monitor the tires?
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Old 02-18-2012, 10:54 AM   #117
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Often, but not always, a blowout is preceded by a loss of pressure, which your TPMS will pick up.
Even a defective tire (tread separation, etc.) will leak before it finally fails catastrophically many times. Often the flying apart is due to heat buildup as pressure falls.....but not always.

Road hazards may or may not immediately "blow out", depending on size of rupture. Again a TPMS may catch a significant percentage of ultimate trailer ripping failures.
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:25 PM   #118
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I agree with dznf0g. I disagree with applying the trailer brakes only. If a tire is on the verge of failing the extra load caused by braking could be what pushes it over the edge. I'd coast to a stop in a safe spot as soon as possible. Use engine compression if possible by down shifting from drive but keep it smooth.

A TPMS is ideal but also still quite expensive. Next best gadget I think is an infrared thermometer. Harbor Freight sells one that works quite well for $40 (less on sale). Most belt separation happens over a period of time that heat build-up should clue you in if you check the tires every time you stop and it's a lot quicker, and more fun , to use the IR gun than manually checking tire pressure. But it's not a substitute for checking TP at the start of each day.
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Old 02-19-2012, 03:38 PM   #119
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[QUOTE=bhayden;..... I disagree with applying the trailer brakes only [/QUOTE]

'Ya Gott'a read closer ......"POI...IF and only IF you NOTICE the tire flapping, gently apply just your trailer brakes , thus stopping the offending wheel. Get to the shoulder ASAP."

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Old 02-19-2012, 03:50 PM   #120
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My feeling is that if the tire is already flapping applying the trailer breaks is the worse thing you can do. It's like pushing the button on the detonator. YMMV
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Old 02-19-2012, 03:58 PM   #121
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I think the point with "flapping" is the tire already has blown and the carcass is shredding and slapping against the wheel well and skin. In this case, I agree...manually applying the trailer brake lightly will stop the blown wheel from spinning while the others still are able to rotate under light braking. This can and will minimize damage to the trailer.
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Old 02-19-2012, 04:32 PM   #122
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I think the point with "flapping" is the tire already has blown and the carcass is shredding and slapping against the wheel well and skin. In this case, I agree...manually applying the trailer brake lightly will stop the blown wheel from spinning while the others still are able to rotate under light braking. This can and will minimize damage to the trailer.
Yes, stop the flapping and get stopped.
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:20 AM   #123
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I don't agree. If it's blown and shedding chunks that last thing you want to do is stress it further. Highly unlikely that with a tandem axle you'll just stop the bad wheel from turning. With a single axle the result is even more devastating. The idea that putting extra stress on a system that is already overloaded makes no sense from an engineering perspective.
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:02 AM   #124
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Well now..... that's the last word on that subject.

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Old 02-20-2012, 07:33 AM   #125
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I don't agree. If it's blown and shedding chunks that last thing you want to do is stress it further. Highly unlikely that with a tandem axle you'll just stop the bad wheel from turning. With a single axle the result is even more devastating. The idea that putting extra stress on a system that is already overloaded makes no sense from an engineering perspective.

OH, single axle, I agree with you....I have a tendency to think about tandems only. With a tandem, the blown tire is just kind of hanging there, suspended, anyway (you can run down the road with an AS with one wheel off to get a flat fixed). In this case, there is virtually no stress on the blown tire. It'll just kind of drag along with it's "flaps" dragging the ground.
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Old 06-03-2012, 03:17 AM   #126
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We picked up our trailer from Griffith RV last month and the repairs Tom did are excellent. I picked it up during an approaching thunderstorm with the threat of hail and was quickly wanting to get ahead of the storm. Darla was removing the lock and commented Tom had moved the trailer inside several times when there was a chance for bad weather. These are the kind of people you are dealing with when you do business with Tom and Darla. Very good down to earth people. They treat your property well when you put it in their care. We camped the next week with my parents (they have a 90 model AS) and my dad said you couldn't even tell the trailer had ever been damaged. I strongly recommend Tom if you are in need of having panel replacement. It was a long trip for our trailer to travel for repairs but well worth it once I got it back. You can see my earlier post for damage pics. I'll post the repair pics in the next few weeks......steve
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