Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 07-30-2013, 07:53 AM   #29
jcanavera's Avatar

2004 30' Classic Slideout
Fenton , Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 8,618
Images: 143
Send a message via AIM to jcanavera Send a message via Skype™ to jcanavera
Originally Posted by CapriRacer View Post
Bottomline: If the tire failure isn't reported, then it's like it never happened. While refusing to buy ST tires seems like a good tactic, in reality, it would take so long for the affect to be noticed and the numbers would be so small that I doubt it would work at all.
Yep I understand, but from an economic standpoint my immediate solution is to go with an LT rather than continue my cycle of replacing ST's every three years due to belt issues. #1 it saves damage to the trailer caused by the tire coming apart at speed. #2 while the cost of my 16" LT is higher, I consider that offset by the ability to get a minimum of 5 years of service from my LT's. #3 while I agree that it may be a blip on the radar to the tire manufacturers, why reward them and purchase a product that for many of us, has given us unsatisfactory service?


Jack Canavera
AIR #56
'04 Classic 30' S.O.,'03 GMC Savana 2500,'14 Honda CTX 700
jcanavera is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2013, 08:22 AM   #30
Figment of My Imagination
Protagonist's Avatar
2012 Interstate Coach
Metairie , Louisiana
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 9,085
Originally Posted by jcanavera View Post
#3 while I agree that it may be a blip on the radar to the tire manufacturers, why reward them and purchase a product that for many of us, has given us unsatisfactory service?
I don't think anyone is suggesting that you buy tires that you suspect will fail, just because you can report the failure.

BUT, if you have a tire that fails due to a manufacturing defect, by all means report it! No matter what brand it is, no matter whether it's on your trailer or your tow vehicle, or on any other vehicle you may own. Whether you bought the tire or it came with the vehicle or trailer.

Remember that big Firestone tire recall back in 2000? 6.5 million tires recalled and replaced, because enough failures were reported to cause a big enough blip on NHTSA's radar.

WBCCI #1105

Engineering: Finding complex solutions to simple problems you didn't even know you had.
Protagonist is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2013, 04:47 PM   #31
Rivet Master
BAB's Avatar

2015 30' Classic
2012 28' International
Greensboro , North Carolina
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,508
I dumped the 15" wheels and GYM's one month after I took delivery of my 2012 28' Intl. After just over a year (and about 14,000 miles) on my 16" wheels and Michelin LT's, I couldn't be more pleased. I did install a TPMS as well. After a four week trip to the Southwest, and just completing two weeks in the Northeast, my tires look brand new. While I don't habitually go over 62 MPH, there are a few times I've had to hit 70. Think this tire discussion (which has hundreds and hundreds of posts) has been very helpful to illuminate possibilities and allow owners to make their own choices. I made mine and appreciate all those who shared their experiences to allow me to make a more informed choice.
"SilverLeaf II" 2015 30' Classic
2014 RAM 2500 Laramie 4x4 CC w/6.7L Cummins
ProPride 3P
AIR# 58452
WBCCI # 3430-Unit 21
BAB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2013, 06:59 AM   #32
CapriRacer's Avatar
I'm in the , US
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 532
Originally Posted by gmw photos View Post
Ok, now I understand what you are saying. Thanks for the clarification. So I take from your comments here that using a LT tire, that has sufficient load capacity ( with adequate reserve ) for the load we are placing on them, we are getting effectively the best of these worlds:
1. load capacity
2. speed rating
3. potentially higher build quality

I see load capacity and speed rating as inversely related - and I see the third item as labeled incorrectly. There may be quality issues, but I think the real problem is design - as in what materials are supposed to be used where.

Originally Posted by gmw photos View Post
........, although you didn't comment on it:

4. likely longer life ( from a strictly age standpoint )

My ideas have been changing over time and I think the age issue is partially due to the fact that ST tires are more highly stressed and burn off the antioxidants more rapidly, partially because antioxidants are very expensive and likely to be used at reduced levels, and partially because the overall structure isn't as robust (boy, I hate that word, but nothing else fits!).

Originally Posted by gmw photos View Post
......Regarding running higher pressures in a ST tire to raise the speed rating, it is my understanding that GoodYear approves running up to 75 psi in a load range D Marathon. Doing so increases it's safe operating speed to 75 mph. However they do point out this does NOT increase the load carry capacity, and that you still must observe wheel ( and valve stem ? ) limits......
This is part of the tire standard published by The Tire and Rim Association (TRA). It applies to ALL ST tires. In fact, this principle applies to LT tires - and you can extend it to ALL tires. It's part of the physics involved in tires.

Some types of tires have these sorts of things published so it is easy to see the relationship. But other types of tires are tightly defined that there isn't much wiggle room. For example: Passenger car tires are supposed to be used on passenger cars and they are designed to always to be used on paved streets, have a speed limit. Those are enough limitations that the load tables don't have special notes about differing speeds.

EXCEPT: They do have special notes for P type tires used on trucks - and P type tires used at very high speeds.

Originally Posted by gmw photos View Post
.......Thanks again for your clarification.
You are quite welcome.

CapriRacer is offline   Reply With Quote

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities

Copyright 2002-2015 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:38 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.