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Old 07-09-2008, 04:31 PM   #379
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Hi SRW,
My trailer plate calls for 50 PSI and that is what I have been using for 4 years. The tires are always cool to the touch even in hi outside temperatures. They never feel hotter than the tires on my van.
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Old 07-09-2008, 07:44 PM   #380
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Hi ticki-- I'm very interested in this. Could you please post your failure rate data and the source where you found it?

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Unfortunately I have not been able to obtain hard data on failure rates . Tire companies are reluctant to give out that info . The reading that I have done here , at rv.net and speaking to campers that I know and have met leads me to that. From what I have glenned this is not marython specific , but rather ST specific . That is not to say that they will all fail or even most . My point was that it should not be a problem except very rarely . When the Firestone trouble happened it was all over the news and then , and only then , did it get resolved . Even then the problem did not exist for all LT tires , it was one specific model of one specific brand . This does not seem to be the case with ST tires. In the absence of the hard data what we are left with is our best judgement . In light of the reports from several sources of problems with ST tires it does not seem to be good judgement to blindly accept that if AS uses them they must be the best. I fully realize that this is my judgement and not everyones , as it should be
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Old 07-10-2008, 05:22 PM   #381
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Until a couple of months ago I considered myself a die-hard Goodyear customer. Here's my story for what its worth. I have a 1960 Overlander that has been in our family since new. As far as I know it has always had Goodyears on it. In the early years they were bias ply LT tires. In '84 my parents switched to the Marathons. In those days we did not know the weight of the trailer and tire dealers were not overly conserned. They took the 8 (?) ply tires off and replaced them with either Load Range B or C tires. In '86 I went to check the air pressure for my parents before a trip. I was bothered by the 35 psi (more or less) maximum tire inflation. I suspected that the tires were overloaded. I found a sympathetic GY dealer and he switched them out for load range E Marathons at no charge. We used those tires till '97 with absolutely no issues other than weather cracks. They were replaced by LR D tires since the E's were no longer available. These were in turn replaced in 2000 when we learned of the recall. The recalled tires were replaced in '04 as we were planning on a trip to Alaska and wanted new tires for the trip.

In '05 at an Airstream Homecomming rally I had the trailer and tow vehicle weighed. They did a thorough job. The company confirmed that my tires were adequately inflated for the load they were carrying, but sugested that I increase inflation by 5 psi for a greater margin of safety. They also suggested that I pay attendion to how I loaded the trailer as one side weighed 100 pounds more than the other.

We always have new tires balanced even though without fail every time we are told by the dealer that it is unnecessary and a waste of money. While the trailer is not in use the tires are covered. They are checked for proper inflation before nearly every trip. On the interstates we normally travel between 60 and 65 mph, very rarely have we exceeded 65. I say this to show that while our tires are not pampered, we do take better care of them than most people.

This spring I had the wheels off the trailer for axle maintenance and noticed that the tires did not look right. Each one had two bulges in them. They ran around the circumference of the tire with the tread. This bulge increased the diameter of the tire. It seems to me that they were falling apart from the inside. Having been around WBCCI and the VAC for a decade I was aware that many people in the club have experienced catastrophic blowouts. The unlucky ones having to repair their trailer as well as replacing the tires. I also have heard from people here in cyberspace having similiar issues. I did not want to risk it so new tires were a must. I checked around and the only trailer tires available locally were Goodyears. I mentioned this to a friend of mine who happens to be a truck mechanic. He checked out his sources and got me a set of LR D tires in a brand that I have never heard of before, made in China just like the current Marathons. Was this a good deal? Time will tell. He got them for me at his cost so you can't beat that. As an added precaution I installed Dyna Beads to offset any imbalance in the drums etc.

Looking ahead to the next set of tires. If the reliability issue is not resolved I will probably upgrade to the 16 inch rims and tires.

Scott
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Old 07-10-2008, 05:45 PM   #382
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What is the advantage of the 16 inch rims and tires?
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Old 07-10-2008, 06:07 PM   #383
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Until a couple of months ago I considered myself a die-hard Goodyear customer. Here's my story for what its worth. I have a 1960 Overlander that has been in our family since new. As far as I know it has always had Goodyears on it. In the early years they were bias ply LT tires. In '84 my parents switched to the Marathons. In those days we did not know the weight of the trailer and tire dealers were not overly conserned. They took the 8 (?) ply tires off and replaced them with either Load Range B or C tires. In '86 I went to check the air pressure for my parents before a trip. I was bothered by the 35 psi (more or less) maximum tire inflation. I suspected that the tires were overloaded. I found a sympathetic GY dealer and he switched them out for load range E Marathons at no charge. We used those tires till '97 with absolutely no issues other than weather cracks. They were replaced by LR D tires since the E's were no longer available. These were in turn replaced in 2000 when we learned of the recall. The recalled tires were replaced in '04 as we were planning on a trip to Alaska and wanted new tires for the trip.

In '05 at an Airstream Homecomming rally I had the trailer and tow vehicle weighed. They did a thorough job. The company confirmed that my tires were adequately inflated for the load they were carrying, but sugested that I increase inflation by 5 psi for a greater margin of safety. They also suggested that I pay attendion to how I loaded the trailer as one side weighed 100 pounds more than the other.

We always have new tires balanced even though without fail every time we are told by the dealer that it is unnecessary and a waste of money. While the trailer is not in use the tires are covered. They are checked for proper inflation before nearly every trip. On the interstates we normally travel between 60 and 65 mph, very rarely have we exceeded 65. I say this to show that while our tires are not pampered, we do take better care of them than most people.

This spring I had the wheels off the trailer for axle maintenance and noticed that the tires did not look right. Each one had two bulges in them. They ran around the circumference of the tire with the tread. This bulge increased the diameter of the tire. It seems to me that they were falling apart from the inside. Having been around WBCCI and the VAC for a decade I was aware that many people in the club have experienced catastrophic blowouts. The unlucky ones having to repair their trailer as well as replacing the tires. I also have heard from people here in cyberspace having similiar issues. I did not want to risk it so new tires were a must. I checked around and the only trailer tires available locally were Goodyears. I mentioned this to a friend of mine who happens to be a truck mechanic. He checked out his sources and got me a set of LR D tires in a brand that I have never heard of before, made in China just like the current Marathons. Was this a good deal? Time will tell. He got them for me at his cost so you can't beat that. As an added precaution I installed Dyna Beads to offset any imbalance in the drums etc.

Looking ahead to the next set of tires. If the reliability issue is not resolved I will probably upgrade to the 16 inch rims and tires.

Scott
Who ever told you that balancing is a waste of money, obviously never owned an Airstream.

He also should stay busy picking his nose instead of giving "WRONG" advice.

The hub and drums on your trailer can be as much as 3 pounds, "out of balance." Tow that at 60 mph and see what happens.

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Old 07-10-2008, 07:24 PM   #384
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What are Centramatic balancers??
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Old 07-10-2008, 07:43 PM   #386
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I can finally add to this thread, as I got a distress call from a friend of mine with an '03 Bambi 16 CCD that had a flat on his way up to Hood River at 11:00 PM last week. He had recently had his ACL repaired, and was in no shape to change a tire, so I met him on Hwy 14 in southern WA and changed the tire.

Upon inspection of the Marathon, there was a 4" tread separation patch directly in the middle of the contact area with the road. He made it the final 10 miles on the Marathon spare, but the next day his other original Marathon went flat at his camping spot with exactly the same problem. These tires have been stored indoors in the winter and have less than 3K miles on them and are almost like new in appearance with no extraordinary UV exposure.

Needless to say, they are being replaced by Maxxis M8008's ASAP!!!
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Old 07-11-2008, 04:39 AM   #389
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What is the advantage of the 16 inch rims and tires?
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Al, The advantage is being able to use tires that seem to have a much better track record. Look at the "Goodyear Marathon tread seperation...our solution" thread. I am sure that there are other threads as well.

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Old 07-11-2008, 08:23 AM   #391
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Hi All,

We just had to chime in because we watch all of the tire related threads. As an update we have been running the 16" tire and rim combo now for over a year and 6000 plus miles and can report no problems. The trailer tows smoothly, the tires run cool (never over 132 degrees F, measured with an IR thermometer, at 102 degrees F ambient), and no rivets have popped. Couldn't be happier.

See you down the road.

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Old 07-11-2008, 10:25 AM   #392
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Had Marathons on ours for three years which by all accounts is the lifespan of ST tires.

As a habit I check tire pressure and visually check the tires at the beginning, during and after a trip.

Noticed a series of small cracks along the tread/sidewall junction. decided to switch to Maxxis because they use an extra wide belt to further bond the tread to the sidewall.

The Marathons served us well for three years and 20,000 miles many of which were on dirt roads in the desert which tend to be very rocky.

One other thing to consider no matter what brand of tire you use. I noticed when I would park our trailer at a campsite or at storage was that due to the nature of backing and tandem axles is that when docking was complete there would be side to side pressure on the treads. (scrubbing. I hope that made sense.) Leaving your trailer parked with that kind of pressure on the tread can't really be good for a tire.
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