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Old 07-18-2016, 09:54 AM   #15
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The title of this thread is misleading. This issue has nothing to do with the tire brand.

I would also take much of what I read here with a grain of salt. There are at least a dozen "themes" in this forum (hitch, TV, tires, stability, etc) that are all exaggerated, inaccurate or flat out wrong. They are repeated so many times, that they are now shared as facts.
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Old 07-18-2016, 10:09 AM   #16
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Timberock, my tire dealer recommended the full 80 psi for my Michelin tires. He says less flex and thus lower temps on the tires. On our recent Caravan, a friend with the same 16" tires measured the temps of his tires and mine at a rest stop. He runs 65 psi in his. My tires were 10* cooler. But both were acceptable temps. I have run that with both trailers for the 3-4 years that I have had these tires. The things in my trailers haven't bounced or fallen or re-arranged themselves. I also have the Centramatics on both trailers.

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Old 07-18-2016, 10:15 AM   #17
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The title of this thread is misleading. This issue has nothing to do with the tire brand.
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I do have to agree... a bit... with your statement.

The majority of Airstream Owners, including myself, are not Trailer Dealers, Trailer Mechanics, Tire Specialists, Dexter Axle experts, Hitch and Receiver sales men... and on and on.

At $110 to $150 an hour to inspect your brakes and wheel bearings, when they should be dependable for thousands of miles... is an example of excess.

We are merely Airstream owners who have people selling, selling and pushing for upgrading our trailers... by the... so called Experts. When many tens of thousands of dollars are spent for 'looks', it is disappointing that all of us learn quickly that you eventually become proficient in fixing and repairing them.

That is why many questions lack important details and many questions must be answered in order for those with experience can make comments. Many regular long term owners have made the Airforums an excellent source of opinion and assistance.

It is not the Consumer who is misleading, but the Army of individuals selling and promoting products. Even myself when it comes to substituting an alternative for pop rivets, tires, wheels, hitch fit to receiver, and how to do's for those of us who are learning.

I had a similar issue with the Marathons on a 23 foot with 14" tires. I replaced the tire and it solved itself. So... it gives me the impression that it was the tire. I eventually learned on the Forum that some trailer branded tires were better... Goodyears were not in my case of the 14".

I had no issues with the 15" Marathons, but did not waste any time to sell all five and replaced them with 16" wheels and Michelin Tires.

Was it necessary? Maybe not. But the price to change over for better options is purchasing 'insurance' that I will not regret. If I can get 58,000 miles on Michelins on my tow vehicle and trade the truck in with plenty of tread remaining, without failure... it is a decision made from experience.

Although, when we get down to those debating toilet tissue and black tanks... I leave it to the Experts among that group.

I depend on the tires on my trailer and tow vehicle to be the BEST I can manage to find. I can promise everyone I will not be going from Michelin tires to Goodyear Marathons in my lifetime. Sometimes dealing with the details and other Airstream owners is the best information I can find.
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Old 07-18-2016, 12:39 PM   #18
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I thought so, too, until I had GYM tread separations...
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Old 07-18-2016, 12:50 PM   #19
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I cannot go with 16" on my '66 Globe Trotter. Replaced the tires three months ago with Duro 225 75R x15, which was recommended by an AS dealer. However, the tire dealer up-sold me to E rated, which is 80#'s cold. Went to the International Rally and found out that I was crazy to buy tires where I had to run 80#'s . . . will pop rivets. Went back to the trailer and sure enough I had 8 loose interior rivets that I didn't have before making the trip. Went to Maxxis 205 75R 15 D rated where I can run at 65#'s pressure. Either way, with two or four axles, I would be concerned running at 80#'s. As the Duro manufacturer's rep told me . . . you can run truck tires based on the auto manufacturer recommended pressure on your truck not on the trailer and ST tires should never be run at a pressure lower then that is on the tire. Go figure.
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Old 07-18-2016, 01:09 PM   #20
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You couldn't run the Load Range E tires at 45 or 50 psi?
The 80# on the sidewall is maximum air pressure, right?
I run my Load Range E tires at 65 psi even though the sidewalls state 80 psi.
No popped rivets-
Everything stays where you put it.
Stuff on the counter or table stays on the counter or table.
Really whether you get Load Range D or Load Range E is according to the weight/GVW of your trailer.
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Old 07-18-2016, 01:39 PM   #21
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To me the wear on the tire could be from a belt shift in the tire. Could be from alignment. I would put my money on a bad tire.

Still would get the axle checked. All Airstream checks is the distance from the edge of each wheel to the center of the hitch ball socket. Not sure how one would adjust camber on one of these axles.
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Old 07-18-2016, 01:59 PM   #22
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Thanks for your concern. We contacted Dexter Axle to locate a alignment shop in the Seattle area. They recommended Kimball's Alignment in Tacoma, WA. Service took about 3 hours for a dual axle trailer and ran $340 with tax.

The tech working on the trailer make me ensure we were only going a short distance at low speeds when he caught the tire damage. Luckily we only had a 20 mile journey back to the Airstream dealer for the tire swap and other maintenance.

I was pleased with the service I received and would recommend Kimball's to others looking for an alignment shop in western Washington.
Thanks for the reference. It is valuable to have first hand reports from satisfied customers. I am in the metro Seattle area.
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My experience on my well-travelled '05 31' Classic is that the factory axle tuning will favor wear on the outside edge of the tire tread.

I took it to a truck shop and tires wear evenly now. It was not cheap as they did not have the equipment that Airstream uses. But it was done well. No odd wear at all.

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The title of this thread is misleading. This issue has nothing to do with the tire brand.

I would also take much of what I read here with a grain of salt. There are at least a dozen "themes" in this forum (hitch, TV, tires, stability, etc) that are all exaggerated, inaccurate or flat out wrong. They are repeated so many times, that they are now shared as facts.
Excellent ponts about the GYM story. As a newbie in 2015 I went on a 14,000 mile trip from Seattle to Newfoundland in all kinds of road conditions and weather. I did a great deal of homework and planning (I have also traveled cross country on my Harley). We had zero problems with our GYM other than a screw-caused flat. I had it properly repaired at we traveled 12,000 more miles on it.

Fortunately, I had not read all the GYM war stories before our trip. Otherwise, I would have needlessly worried the entire way.

I replaced my GYM tires after one season and almost 20,000 miles. They were worn evenly and had lots of tread left. I replaced them with ST tires, though a different brand recommended by Les Schwab, my trusted tire vendor for 30 years.

Bottom line: As several posts here note, good tire care, proper loading, pressure maintenance, weight distribution, lug nut torque, bearing lubrication, road conditions, and driving style collectively are probably far more important than the quality of any new tire sold in the USA.
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All 4 tires look to me like they have had belt shift inside the tires. Unless the camera lens has distorted the look of the tires. Did anybody jack up the wheels and spin the tires to see if they were still round before they were taken off? Needed new tires for sure! I've seen just as many Michelin's with cord shift as any other brand on cars and trucks since the mid '80's, it seems like all tire manufactures are scrimping on the rubber compounds. Back in the '70's I thought Michelin's were the best but not sure now.
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We have the same tire and rims. Try 70 lbs.
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You couldn't run the Load Range E tires at 45 or 50 psi?
The 80# on the sidewall is maximum air pressure, right?
I run my Load Range E tires at 65 psi even though the sidewalls state 80 psi.
We are getting off the OP a bit but sometimes one just has to correct misinformation.

The recommended tire pressure for my E rated Michelins with my load is 35 lbs. I happen to run them at 45 just so I can get off the road with one tire off the axle after a flat.

There is probably not 10% of the tire dealers in the country that know how to determine the correct tire pressure so they yield to the Lawyers statement on the side walls. Use the manufactures pressure chart. If they bothered to create it use it.

Oh yes and now that I am running a TPS system and see the actual running temperature I may drop the pressure 5 lbs.
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The pressure increase to 70 or 71 psi when the tires are turning.
I can watch the pressure continuously on my Dill TPMS.
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