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Old 06-26-2016, 10:38 AM   #71
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Agreed, and here is the age old conundrum of truth in advertising and buyer beware. I assumed, reading all the promotional put out by Airstream and the prices they were asking in comparison with other brands, that I am getting the best Trailer on the market in all aspects. When I bought my BMW 540 it came paired with the best high speed Continental Tires to match its performance.
At one of the rallies we attended, a newbie asked the Airstream rep what speed were the Airstream Trailers built for, the rep responded that they can be safely driven at all legally posted speed limits in the US.
He should have added a qualifier: Unless they are Equipped With GYM tires.
Clearly the "rep" doesn't know his product. Maybe he/she was really just another "order-taker" who's primary gol was to make a sale by touting all the shine and "bling" and wasn't interested in talking about the safety features or lack thereof.

Wonder if AS conducts emergency stop tests from 80 mph with their various units to ensure the trailer stops a bit faster than the TV? If it doesn't or can't then the TT will probably swap ends with the TV. If not then what is the claim of "safely driven" based on?
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Old 06-26-2016, 11:18 AM   #72
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Ah, the tire debate continues

Quite a few years ago I was reading another forum about tow vehicles. In this I noticed a lot of stories of Fords with all sorts of issues. There were a few others of course, like GM and Dodge but I was struck by the sheer number of failures pertaining to Ford 150s and 250s. My reaction was to paint Fords as below standards and to never purchase one. Later, it came to my attention that there are way more Fords on the road than any of the others when comparing brands one to one. Since there are more of these trucks out there it makes sense that there will be more complaints. The percentage of complaints would be nice to know.

I believe that there are way more GYMs on trailers than any other ST brands. More tires will mean more failures. The question is at what percentage are these tires failing? Someone bring that data to the table and we should all listen a little closer.

My take on all of this remains the same. Given a tire, even a low end tire as someone has labeled the GYM, if you abuse it your chances of failure go up. I know many many individuals who just get in and drive. Those who carefully maintain their vehicles get many more miles out of them and their systems and parts. Trailer tires fall into this main concept. Inflate them, inspect them, rotate them and drive them within their limitations and you shouldn't have problems. If there are 50K GYM on the road and 10K Maxxis, you should expect 5 times as many failures. Think about that.
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Old 06-26-2016, 11:31 AM   #73
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ST tires may be approved by government regulatory agencies.
They still have a 3 year life.
When I had tread separations, documenting the event for a government agency was not my focus.
Getting new tires and going camping was my focus.


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Old 06-27-2016, 10:22 AM   #74
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ST tires may be approved by government regulatory agencies.
They still have a 3 year life.
When I had tread separations, documenting the event for a government agency was not my focus.
Getting new tires and going camping was my focus.
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First off, there is no government agency that is "approving" tires. The DOT does publish performance regulations that the tire company is "certifying" all the tires they make are capable of passing the requirements. If a tire company wants to game the system and make tires that do not meet the regulations there is no way for the DOT to learn this unless they conduct an investigation. The DOT will not start an investigation without justification or they could be accused of wasting taxpayer money. A major part of that justification is the number of complaints on file.

Sending a complaint to NHTSA not being your focus is clearly understandable. But if you never bothered to record the S/N of your tires and simply disposed of them then you will never be able to file an actionable complaint.
No actionable complaining = No Investigation = No findings of low quality = no recall = no improvement in quality of ST tires.

IMO there are some in the business of low cost tire production and sales who know the average RV owner will never complain. They are playing the odds that there will never be a recall so with no future penalty there is no incentive to improve quality.
Even if you can't focus on filing a complaint at the time you certainly could in the future but that would mean you had made the minimal effort to record the S/N for your tires.

If RV owners can't make that minimal effort of recording the S/N and spend the I simply do not understand why they feel they can take the moral high ground and complain about poor tire life.
Filing a complaint only takes a couple of minutes. Maybe less time than what many are willing to spend complaining on as RV forum.
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Old 06-27-2016, 10:46 AM   #75
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No serial numbers-
Just got rid of them-
There will be no more ST tires on any trailer I own- so no chance to record serial numbers-
At this point it matters not to me if quality of ST tires ever improves. I will never use them. I will never pay my hard earned money for them.
Y'all handle it...
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Old 06-27-2016, 10:52 AM   #76
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No serial numbers-
Just got rid of them-
There will be no more ST tires on any trailer I own- so no chance to record serial numbers-
At this point it matters not to me if quality of ST tires ever improves. I will never use them. I will never pay my hard earned money for them.
Y'all handle it...

Your choice. Does that mean you won't bother to record the S/N of the new tires you put on the RV? or did you buy the "magic", never fail, never have a recall tires?
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I still have the tires...
I really don't anticipate any premature, short life tread separations on LT or P-metric tires.
The only tire failures I have ever had were on ST tires less than 3 years old or other tires that were aged out- who knows how old they were when they blew out?
I usually replace tires when the sidewalls start to show cracks from dry rot.
That is generally 5-6 years.
I never get the tread life out of any tire.
They dry rot first.
Never felt the need to file a complaint.
Never thought it would do any good anyway.
The short life of ST tires is common knowledge it seems.
I don't trust or expect the government agencies to anything right.
It is up to me to use what I know to buy the best tires I can.
Tales from forums users were all anecdotal until it happened to me on 2 different occasions on 2 different trailers.
Now I have all those anecdotes and personal experience to base my decision on.
That's good enough for me.
It's your choice to put whatever tires you choose on your trailer.
I ain't mad at ya.
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Old 06-27-2016, 03:02 PM   #78
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I really don't anticipate any premature, short life tread separations on LT or P-metric tires.
No one anticipates a tire failure. And yet tires fail. Not just ST tires either. There have been recalls of all kinds of tires. Keeping track of the tires is just another piece of maintenance. (Or not as many don't maintain what they have)

I guess my point is .... if you want premium service life out of something don't expect it out of an economy product.

And Yes Fanklyfrank I am serious. Buying a premium travel trailer with economy tires, ultimately it is the buyer that is responsible for the decision. A great salesperson will get to know the buyer and know the buyer's needs and then sell the right product, for the right price at the right time. There are few great sales people in the world so it comes down to the consumer knowing what they are buying. Because my experience has been most sellers don't know what they are selling. So I have to be both the seller and the buyer in many cases.

And since when is it acceptable to make a tens of thousands of dollar decision un-informed? Is it OK to do that, sure. Is it prudent to not know about the details of that kind of decision? Not in my opinion. However I go into transactions informed as much as possible. Asking about (or doing my own inspection on the) tires (a major replaceable and safety feature) seems like a no brainer.

Airstream and any other manufacturer is going to sell what people buy. When the consumer stops buying or expresses an objection repeatedly the manufacturer usually changes or closes. And of course some people buy a travel trailer and don't travel much. Or don't travel fast. Why have an expensive tire for not much traveling?

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Maybe I should have said that based upon personal experience up to this point, 2 incidents of ST tire tread separation on 2 different trailers and never having that type of failure on LT or P-metric tires...
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