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Old 04-08-2007, 04:16 PM   #57
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Semper Fi means "Always Faithful" "Always Diligent". I take it to mean don't rest on your laurels, pay attention, don't be fooled, stand tall, and do the right thing, no matter what! It implies, "stop whining and do the right thing even if it means stepping up." It would seem it applies to Marines as well as consumers.

Well Bob, "Semper fi" is sacred to Marines. You missed USMC boot camp or USMC officers basic training . You are forgiven.

Just possibly not a good choice of words in this case, my friend.
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Thanks for the good tire info on B. F. Goodrich. I also agree with your clear headed logic...

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Old 04-08-2007, 05:21 PM   #58
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Fair enough! Perhaps a poor choice of words. I meant no dis-respect to Marines.
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Old 04-08-2007, 07:48 PM   #59
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Hey Bob...I'm pickin' up some BFGs for the Impala SS next week, but I hadn't considered BFG for the trailer. Are the BFGs you talk about standard radial tires or are they trailer tires specifically? I'd be happy to consider another brand beside the marathons.....
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Old 04-08-2007, 08:17 PM   #60
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The B F Goodrich Commercial T/A's are all position LT tires, including RV's:
BFGoodrich Commercial T/A

For the record, Commercial tires are required by government regulations to carry heavier loads at higher speeds than ST tires. I first learned of them from people using them on 5th wheel trailers. I'm absolutely delighted with mine.
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Old 04-08-2007, 10:04 PM   #61
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Hi, somewhere I missed it; I didn't see anywhere where it said RVs or Trailers on the BF Goodrich site. But I won't say that they won't work on RVs/Trailers because I don't know that as a fact. I will more than likely run my Goodyears until timed out before wore out. Maybe six years? I wouldn't mind higher speed rated tires, but I still plan on going 65 mph or less.
I still tell freinds and customers, "At 100 mph, the only thing between you and the street, are your tires. Don't be cheap." And these people still tell me, "I don't drive that fast" [except when we drive to Vegas]
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Old 04-08-2007, 10:36 PM   #62
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Hi, It is implied in the "use on both axles" phrase, a phrase used in reference to tire position for Commercial tires, especially heavy truck tires. For questions, I would call B F Goodrich Customer Service: 1-877-788-8899 They are most helpful and should be able to answer all your questions. 1.8771-877-788-8899..788.8899
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My point? Well, once China's labor force wakes up, we will have to find a new place or places as the old ones become near or at 1st world labor costs. Eventually, the whole world will be shopped for labor when everyone gets up to a certain level. One thing is nearly for sure, the US and a few other countries may not see manufac return, because the costs here will always be a step above what it is elsewhere.

Any thoughts on these last two points?
OH, YEAH! First of all, China is one of the last COMMUNIST contries left on earth. The workers have absolutley no "rights" as we understand them. The Chinese culture is the oldest on the planet (depending upon whose version of history you wish to believe). There is absoluetly no concept of the individual in the Empire of Chin'. ALL OF THE PROFITS, as you so correctly pointed out, are used to further the interests of the STATE, not the workers or shareholders (wait, the state IS THE MAJORITY shareholder in China). The workers have no proper forum to "wake up". As long as a Communist regime rules there, there will be no "1st world labor costs".

If you want manufacturing to return to our shores, check out Fairtax.org. And stop funding a Communist Regime by purchasing Chinese made junk.

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Mr. Thompson: Truly the way you used Semper Fi really set me off. It is a "thing " we Marines say to one another, our brotherhood of warrior's. My initial post was about import lack of quality, mostly a rant on the chinese. I have no problem with our Canadian neighbors. I have their rubber on my Excella now. I read your post about 16" rims and tires, nice job. As a vietnam vet yourself I was then amazed at your miss use of Semper Fi. Trust me, I can afford to put whatever wheels and tires I choose on my drainage pipe. Why change out my nice 15" aluminum rims for no good reason. The debate will continue long after I am gone. For those of us that have seen combat and had our fellow Marines die next to us there is a very special meaning to Semper Fi. Thanks for your service to our great country. Tim
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Isn't BFG owned by Micheline(sp) now? Maybe it's Goodyear, Maybe I've got them confused. Either way, I doubt there's a Frechman alive that understands the concept of Semper Fidelis.

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Yes, BFG is owned by Michelin. Makes you think the American worker can get the job done, it's the American managers and directors who are incompetent.

Usually I cringe at political correctness as it is always an unnecessary concession, but it the case of "Semper FI", out of respect for the immense contribution made by Marines, including friends who have served and been injured in service to the USA, I will never use the phrase again. Let it be a phrase only one Marine can share with another Marine.
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Well....

Certainly an interesting discussion going here...

We, and this economy, are reaping the seeds sown may years ago... We were made an offer we could have refused.... but we 'wussed' out as a group of consumers.... There have been plenty of people, along the way, telling us this stuff was coming, but the 'majority' didn't want to hear it.... 'buy it cheap, if it breaks, replace it with more c&*p...' sigh.

I'm with the 'buy locally' crowd - that goes for buying close to home rather than 'in town' and it goes for locally ie US where ever possible. Have to hope that my $'s matter. They certainly matter to the local merchants. Every time I go in these businesses, there is a discussion along the lines of this thread going....

As usual, no answers... just more questions...!

BTW - Wal-mart can kiss my ***.

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OH, YEAH! First of all, China is one of the last COMMUNIST contries left on earth. The workers have absolutley no "rights" as we understand them. The Chinese culture is the oldest on the planet (depending upon whose version of history you wish to believe). There is absoluetly no concept of the individual in the Empire of Chin'. ALL OF THE PROFITS, as you so correctly pointed out, are used to further the interests of the STATE, not the workers or shareholders (wait, the state IS THE MAJORITY shareholder in China). The workers have no proper forum to "wake up". As long as a Communist regime rules there, there will be no "1st world labor costs".

If you want manufacturing to return to our shores, check out Fairtax.org. And stop funding a Communist Regime by purchasing Chinese made junk.

Just my 2 kopeks.
Hi Jim & Susan; While what you have stated is so very true, there are many sad facts associated with it, which lead back to us. To understand this vicious circle we are the one's who allowed it to happen, by thinking that it was a single edged sword. Our unions certainly have done much good for our worker, but it came a time when the US manufacturer could no longer compete in the market, and so called union privileges. Have we forgotten times when driving down the road we have seen one man playing with a shovel while six others leaned on them? There were many times when I pulled over and watched for a while. Nothing changed even after one hour and I was upset for loosing my hour of work to make that determination.
In mid 80's Outboard Marine Corp. was so bound by the Union that they could not get rid of workers who who bummed all day. Delivery of outboard engines to the dealers were 5 to 6 months delayed and when we got them, the six cylinder engines were running on five. In the end we discovered that the sixth piston in that engine was an empty beer can in the cylinder without the connecting rod but the letters "F. U" on bottom of can were clearly unmistakable. How did beer found its way to the plant? Did that worker realized that it would backfire on him? Well it did, the Corporation had to move out, or go out of business so they moved out. In Japan, if the worker makes the same mistake twice he no longer has a job. Yes, I have been there nine weeks per year for eight years, and I watched it happen.
The problem in US is lack of bond and dedication on both sides, employee and employer and it is the individual greed that feeds that fire which consumes us. I have had a Certified technicians working for me. I have watched them on camera for three to four hours daily doing absolutely nothing while expecting agreed profit sharing. They played on my computer for an hour at the time. This did not happened once but more times that I care to remember. Do those people realize that in order to receive a paycheck they need to contribute? Do they care? Demand for skilled tech's is very high in my area, and I could use a few but where are they? Some were promised a dollar more per hour by the compettitor and they were gone without notice. Two weeks later they found out that it meant they will get a dollar more if they exceede factory Flat Rate. Do any of you think that I should hire them back? I should be retiring soon, and I would think that someone would jump on the occasion of taking over a very reputable turn key business, yet no one is interested in my offer. It is even difficult to get anyone to work, so I had to give up three quarter of my facilities and scale down. I am afraid we have created our own monster. It is not China that has control over us. We are the ones who can control it with our wallet. We have let it go so far, that even that becomes a hard chore. That two edged sword was created by our own greed from CEO's down to the worker, and now we all cry about it, and yet we are not using the power of the mighty dollar at hand. Thanks, "Boatdoc"
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Great summation boatdoc!

I remember reading a post a while ago about a member trying to get a repair done and the 'tech' didn't want to start it because it was Friday afternoon .REALLY? Not to blow my own horn, but I have ALWAYS responded to the volume of work and done the extra hours required to get the jobs done. Currently, that means 12-14 hour days 6-7 days a week! Of course, it's a seasonal deal so you have to cram in as much as possible while the work is still here, but I have always tried to go the 'extra mile' for my clients.

I truly believe that many American workers are responsible for the demise of the manufacturing sector, as you pointed out with the OMC debacle. But managemant is also to blame with outrageous compensation packages even though the companies are failing!!

If you can't take pride in what you do and put your best effort forward for your customars every day, then find something else to do! If you do, your customers will appreciate you and the word of mouth referrals will overwhelm you with new business.

I'll get off the soap box now........
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I truly believe that many American workers are responsible for the demise of the manufacturing sector, as you pointed out with the OMC debacle. But managemant is also to blame with outrageous compensation packages even though the companies are failing!!
The bottom line is that it's called work ethic and few folks have it nowadays. I too spend countless hours beyond what it takes to get 'er done. Complaint? Not at all, because I see it as a partial ownership issue. Not that I own one red cent of what I buy, install or maintain. But I am the one ultimately responsible for all 2300 users being able to do what they need to do, and I take that responsibility seriously. We here in IL have unions in education. It's angers me so much to see the BS that goes on. So much goes on with tenure, etc that it sickens me to see these grown up children act the way they do, then threaten to walk out if they don't get what they want. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING is a negotiation. If I did what the teachers did, few things would get done. When they complain, I simply tell them that they are welcome to be with me at 2am instead of being home with their family as I should be..........

As for the OMC thing, like the Raido Flyer situation, this too is one that hits close to home, being about 25 miles north of me.

I recall reading here on this forum when I posted about installing a subwoofer in under my sofa on my Safari, where I found that someone at the factory had eaten their McDonald's breakfast sandwich and balled up the wrapper and stuffed it in an interior skin hole where the electrical came in. I was and still am miffed by that, but then someone told me about a Cadillac way back when that had a rattle in the fender. I forget what it was that was causing it, but I do recall what the note said...something to the effect of, "I hope it took you forever to find this you rich basta...."

I will look into the BFGs for the trailer. Thanks Bob.
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