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Old 03-29-2013, 03:02 PM   #155
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Road force balancing while the best method to balance a tire and wheel, does not take into consideration an out of balance brake drum. The centramatics balance the whole rotating mass not just the wheel and tire.
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Old 03-29-2013, 03:09 PM   #156
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i just had new tires installed at discount tire. i had wanted them to put on the centramatics i had bought for my bambi bu the manager shared that 1. with properly road force balanced tires they should not be needed. 2.that there was concern about the centramatic plate against the wheel and that particles could get between and possibly cause the lugs to need to be torqued every hundred miles. the the aluminum wheels were made to fit directly against the thing (drum?) with nothing in between no matter how thin for the ultimate fit and functioning. i got scared of course and deferred the installation until i could get some feed back on these thoughts. i have not heard responses by folks saying that the lugs were loosening in such a frequent way. the discount tire manager just was not feeling in was a wise thing. i can have them put on when i finally go to have the axle serviced. i know i can be a scaredy cat but is what this manager says correct? any help welcome.
I have never had the lug nuts loosen after one retorque a few hundred miles after a rotation. Make certain the hub face, the centramatics, and the wheel are clean.
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Old 03-29-2013, 03:16 PM   #157
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We've had our Centramatics on since 2004 and we also have aluminum wheels. We are careful to check our lug nuts with a torque wrench before and after each trip which I feel is a good practice. We've never had a problem. Good question however. Happy trails!
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Old 03-29-2013, 03:17 PM   #158
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i just had new tires installed at discount tire. i had wanted them to put on the centramatics i had bought for my bambi bu the manager shared that 1. with properly road force balanced tires they should not be needed. 2.that there was concern about the centramatic plate against the wheel and that particles could get between and possibly cause the lugs to need to be torqued every hundred miles. the the aluminum wheels were made to fit directly against the thing (drum?) with nothing in between no matter how thin for the ultimate fit and functioning. i got scared of course and deferred the installation until i could get some feed back on these thoughts. i have not heard responses by folks saying that the lugs were loosening in such a frequent way. the discount tire manager just was not feeling in was a wise thing. i can have them put on when i finally go to have the axle serviced. i know i can be a scaredy cat but is what this manager says correct? any help welcome.
Your discount tire store manager has grossly mislead you.

First of all, the Centamatic plate rests against the drum.

Two, he obviously knows nothing about an Airstream, it's suspension system or it's design.

If the aluminum wheels have a minimum of a 10 inch flat surface on the back side, the Centramatic will fit correctly.

Third, if any dirt got on to the balancer, it will get off the same way it got on.

Fourth, if what he says was true, then when we get a rock in a tire, everything goes to kapot?? NOT!!!

Lugs always get loose, WHEN they are not properly torqued.

Install the Centramatics, and the next time you need tires, ask the opinion of those that are familiar with what your doing, and not a stranger to technolgy.

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Old 03-29-2013, 03:44 PM   #159
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Never a problem since using Centramatics—no loose lugnuts.

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Old 03-29-2013, 03:54 PM   #160
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Same here. Centramatics for last 15,000 miles, and no loose lug nuts.
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Old 03-29-2013, 04:01 PM   #161
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i just had new tires installed at discount tire. i had wanted them to put on the centramatics i had bought for my bambi bu the manager shared that 1. with properly road force balanced tires they should not be needed. 2.that there was concern about the centramatic plate against the wheel and that particles could get between and possibly cause the lugs to need to be torqued every hundred miles. the the aluminum wheels were made to fit directly against the thing (drum?) with nothing in between no matter how thin for the ultimate fit and functioning. i got scared of course and deferred the installation until i could get some feed back on these thoughts. i have not heard responses by folks saying that the lugs were loosening in such a frequent way. the discount tire manager just was not feeling in was a wise thing. i can have them put on when i finally go to have the axle serviced. i know i can be a scaredy cat but is what this manager says correct? any help welcome.
I had the opposite experiance with the Discount Tire store I use in Phoenix. Since my trailer has lug bolts, not lug nuts I use a couple of small pieces of double sided tape to secure the balancer to the wheel. This makes it easier to install. I brought a tire in to be replaced and forgot to remove the balancer. The staff at the shop thought they were a good idea and that they were very effective. The Discount Tire in Grand Junction, CO liked them as well.

I have been using them for several years. I make sure the wheels are torqued correctly when installed, check them a hundred miles or so later and then once a week when on the road. In the 30K+ miles I have had them, no wheel bolt has ever been loose.
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Old 03-29-2013, 04:17 PM   #162
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I, too, have not experienced any of the issues the Discount Tire guy spoke of with our Centramatics, nor have I ever heard of such issues. We routinely check torque regularly, but that's with or without Centramatics.
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Old 03-29-2013, 05:40 PM   #163
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I seem to remember a Discount Tire store guy who would not install LT tires on an Airstream because he claimed only ST tires could be used. This doesn't mean Discount Tires hires idiots—it is a big chain and I have never had problems with them, but you can find someone somewhere who has a problem thinking things through.

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ok. you have all given me more info to share to skeptics and some courage just to push on with the idea and action to put them on. i always check the lugs with the torque as good solid safety/maintenance practice. the manager at discount was really nice and caring but did not have the same info and experience you all have shared and there lies the rub. thank you.
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It seems that Centramatics and Nev-R-Lube bearing do not mix. The Nev-R-Lube bearings require a 0 offset wheel, adding the Centramatics changes the 0 offset. This was information was published in the Blue Beret from what I read. I found information on failures which was caused by a manufacture using 10 mm offset wheels, much more of an offset than a Centramatic would cause. A couple of threads are active on the subject. This pains me as I have a new set of Centramatics on my trailer which have not turned one revolution.

Gene do you happen to have Nev-R-Lube bearings? I really don't want to remove my Centramatics.
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It seems that Centramatics and Nev-R-Lube bearing do not mix. The Nev-R-Lube bearings require a 0 offset wheel, adding the Centramatics changes the 0 offset. This was information was published in the Blue Beret from what I read. I found information on failures which was caused by a manufacture using 10 mm offset wheels, much more of an offset than a Centramatic would cause. A couple of threads are active on the subject. This pains me as I have a new set of Centramatics on my trailer which have not turned one revolution.

Gene do you happen to have Nev-R-Lube bearings? I really don't want to remove my Centramatics.
I'm not worried about it. I believe it to be an over reaction to the trailer recall.
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I'm not worried about it. I believe it to be an over reaction to the trailer recall.
I did a little research and it seems it was a bit of a problem, it was 10 mm offset wheel which caused the problem, just trying to find someone has been running with the Nev-R-Lube bearings and Centramatics for a extended time. I wasn't to worried at first but the more I read on other sites the more my concern went up. Of course I think I might have to chose which devil I want to live with, I think vibration is more of a enemy.
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I did a little research and it seems it was a bit of a problem, it was 10 mm offset wheel which caused the problem, just trying to find someone has been running with the Nev-R-Lube bearings and Centramatics for a extended time. I wasn't to worried at first but the more I read on other sites the more my concern went up. Of course I think I might have to chose which devil I want to live with, I think vibration is more of a enemy.
I've been running them 2 years.
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