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Has a tire failed on your Airstream in the past 5 years – Yes. 144 50.17%
Has a tire failed on your Airstream in the past 5 years – No. 145 50.52%
Reason for tire failure: Valve stem leak/failure. 6 2.09%
Reason for tire failure: Bubble in sidewall. 17 5.92%
Reason for tire failure: Bubble in tread area. 9 3.14%
Reason for tire failure: Belt/tread slipped, but still relatively intact. 16 5.57%
Reason for tire failure: Tread separated, but still partially attached to tire body. 28 9.76%
Reason for tire failure: Tread completely separated, but tire body still inflated. 12 4.18%
Reason for tire failure: Blowout, sidewall. 16 5.57%
Reason for tire failure: Blowout, with tread separation. 57 19.86%
Reason for tire failure: Other reason(s), not stated above. 18 6.27%
Ambient/outdoor temperature when tire failure occurred or was noticed: Subfreezing to freezing temperatures. Note: Please, select only one “ambient/outdoor temperature”. 1 0.35%
Ambient/outdoor temperature: Freezing to 70-degrees Fahrenheit. 24 8.36%
Ambient/outdoor temperature: 70 to 90-degrees Fahrenheit. 80 27.87%
Ambient/outdoor temperature: 90 to 110-degrees Fahrenheit. 37 12.89%
Ambient/outdoor temperature: 110+ degrees Fahrenheit. 1 0.35%
The tire failed: Before driving. Note: Please, select only one “tire failure time”. 10 3.48%
The tire failed: While driving. 111 38.68%
The tire failed: After driving. 18 6.27%
Number of axles on your Airstream: 1. Note: Please, select only one “number of axles” response. 45 15.68%
Number of axles on your Airstream: 2. 157 54.70%
Number of axles on your Airstream: 3. 11 3.83%
Position of tire that failed: Axle #1 (front or single axle), left side. Note: Please, select all “failed tire positions” that apply. 48 16.72%
Position of tire that failed: Axle #1 (front or single axle), right side. 64 22.30%
Position of tire that failed: Axle #2, left side. 31 10.80%
Position of tire that failed: Axle #2, right side. 39 13.59%
Position of tire that failed: Axle #3, left side. 4 1.39%
Position of tire that failed: Axle #3, right side. 5 1.74%
Did a road hazard, hitch failure or vehicle accident cause or contribute to the tire failure: Yes. 10 3.48%
Did a road hazard, hitch failure or vehicle accident cause or contribute to the tire failure: No. 113 39.37%
Did the tire failure cause or contribute to a vehicle accident: Yes. 0 0%
Did the tire failure cause or contribute to a vehicle accident: No. 131 45.64%
Number of tires that failed during the original incident: 1. Note: Please, select only one “number of tires that failed during original incident” response. 119 41.46%
Number of tires that failed during the original incident: 2. 15 5.23%
Number of tires that failed during the original incident: 3. 5 1.74%
Number of tires that failed during the original incident: 4 or more. 3 1.05%
Number of additional tires that failed within 30 days or 1,000 miles of the original incident: 1. Note: Please, select only one “number of additional tires, within 30 days or 1,000 miles” response. 20 6.97%
Number of additional tires that failed within 30 days or 1,000 miles: 2. 4 1.39%
Number of additional tires that failed within 30 days or 1,000 miles: 3. 1 0.35%
Number of additional tires that failed within 30 days or 1,000 miles: 4 or more. 0 0%
Number of additional tires that failed within 12 months or 12,000 miles of the original incident: 1. Note: Please, select only one “number of additional tires, within 12 months or 12,000 miles” response. 11 3.83%
Number of additional tires that failed within 12 months or 12,000 miles: 2. 3 1.05%
Number of additional tires that failed within 12 months or 12,000 miles: 3. 4 1.39%
Number of additional tires that failed within 12 months or 12,000 miles: 4 or more. 2 0.70%
Type of tire that failed: ST. Note: Please, select only one “type of tire that failed” response. 112 39.02%
Type of tire that failed: LT. 4 1.39%
Type of tire that failed: Other/unknown. 8 2.79%
Tire size of failed tire: 215/75. Note: Please, select only one “tire size”. 13 4.53%
Tire size: 225/75. 109 37.98%
Tire size: 235/75. 16 5.57%
Tire size: Other. 4 1.39%
Wheel size of failed tire: 14 inch. Note: Please, select only one “wheel size”. 16 5.57%
Wheel size: 15 inch. 136 47.39%
Wheel size: 16 inch. 8 2.79%
Wheel size: Other. 0 0%
Load range of tire that failed: C. Note: Please, select only one “load range”. 15 5.23%
Load range: D. 90 31.36%
Load range: E. 32 11.15%
Load range: Other. 3 1.05%
Normal tire pressure for tire that failed: 36 psi or less. Note: Please, select only one “normal tire pressure” response. 0 0%
Normal tire pressure: 36-44 psi. 4 1.39%
Normal tire pressure: 50 psi. 26 9.06%
Normal tire pressure: 55-60 psi. 25 8.71%
Normal tire pressure: 65 psi. 87 30.31%
Normal tire pressure: 72 psi. 5 1.74%
Normal tire pressure: 80 psi. 15 5.23%
Normal tire pressure: 80+ psi. 0 0%
Tire was inflated to “normal tire pressure” above, at time of failure. 111 38.68%
Tire was inflated to a lower pressure. 6 2.09%
Tire was inflated to a higher pressure. 1 0.35%
Tire pressure was unknown at time of failure. 5 1.74%
Manufacturer of failed tire: BG Goodrich. Note: Please, select only one “manufacturer of failed tire” response. 6 2.09%
Manufacturer of failed tire: Carlisle. 21 7.32%
Manufacturer of failed tire: Goodyear Marathon. 100 34.84%
Manufacturer of failed tire: Goodyear (other than Marathon). 0 0%
Manufacturer of failed tire: Greenball. 2 0.70%
Manufacturer of failed tire: Maxxis. 4 1.39%
Manufacturer of failed tire: Michelin. 2 0.70%
Manufacturer of failed tire: Towmax. 8 2.79%
Manufacturer of failed tire: Other. 13 4.53%
Manufacturing country of failed tire: Canada. Note: Please, select only one “manufacturing country” response. 11 3.83%
Manufacturing country: China. 50 17.42%
Manufacturing country: Europe. 0 0%
Manufacturing country: Mexico. 1 0.35%
Manufacturing country: Other Far Eastern Countries (e.g., Japan, Taiwan, Korea, Malaysia, etc.). 3 1.05%
Manufacturing country: USA. 14 4.88%
Manufacturing country: Other/unknown. 51 17.77%
Tire age at failure: Less than 1 year. Note: Please, select only one “tire age” response. 9 3.14%
Tire age: 1-2 years. 29 10.10%
Tire age: 2-3 years. 39 13.59%
Tire age: 3-4 years. 42 14.63%
Tire age: 4-5 years. 13 4.53%
Tire age: 5-6 years. 8 2.79%
Tire age: 6-7 years. 10 3.48%
Tire age: More than 7 years. 7 2.44%
Tire age: Unknown. 1 0.35%
Tire mileage at failure: Less than 1,000 miles. Note: Please, select only one “tire mileage” response. 2 0.70%
Tire mileage: 1,000-5,000 miles. 38 13.24%
Tire mileage: 5,000-10,000 miles. 56 19.51%
Tire mileage: 10,000-15,000 miles. 22 7.67%
Tire mileage: 15,000-20,000 miles. 2 0.70%
Tire mileage: More than 20,000 miles. 13 4.53%
Tire mileage: Unknown. 20 6.97%
Was the failed tire balanced by the tire installer: Yes. 102 35.54%
Was the failed tire balanced by the tire installer: No (or unknown). 29 10.10%
Did the tire that failed use a dynamic balancing device (Centramatic or similar): Yes. 25 8.71%
Did the tire that failed use a dynamic balancing device: No. 80 27.87%
Parking surface for failed tire during extended storage (longer than 30 days): Concrete. Note: Please, select only one “parking surface” response. 42 14.63%
Parking surface: Asphalt. 24 8.36%
Parking surface: Gravel or dirt. 57 19.86%
Parking surface: Wood. 8 2.79%
Parking surface: Synthetic material (rubber, plastic, etc.). 1 0.35%
Parking surface: Other. 9 3.14%
Cost of roadside assistance, towing, etc. due to tire failure: $0 Note: Please, include costs reimbursed by insurance. However, do not include tires, wheels, etc. Also, please select only one “cost of roadside assistance...” response. 79 27.53%
Cost of roadside assistance, towing, etc.: Up to $100. 19 6.62%
Cost of roadside assistance, towing, etc.: $100 - $500. 16 5.57%
Cost of roadside assistance, towing, etc.: $500 - $1,000. 1 0.35%
Cost of roadside assistance, towing, etc.: $1,000 - $5000. 2 0.70%
Cost of roadside assistance, towing, etc.: More than $5,000. 0 0%
Cost of replacement tire, wheel, shipping, ext warranty, mount/balance, etc. due to tire failure: $0 Note: Please include cost reimbursed by insurance. Also, please select only one “cost of replacement tire, wheel, etc.” response. 13 4.53%
Cost of replacement tire, wheel, shipping, etc.: Up to $250. 86 29.97%
Cost of replacement tire, wheel, shipping, etc.: $250 - $500. 16 5.57%
Cost of replacement tire, wheel, shipping, etc.: $500 - $1,000. 8 2.79%
Cost of replacement tire, wheel, shipping, etc.: $1,000 - $2,000. 3 1.05%
Cost of replacement tire, wheel, shipping, etc.: $2,000-$3,000. 1 0.35%
Cost of replacement tire, wheel, shipping, etc.: More than $3,000. 1 0.35%
Additional damage to your Airstream, if any: None. 81 28.22%
Additional damage to your Airstream: Minor cosmetic damage, not repaired. 20 6.97%
Additional damage to your Airstream: Functional damage to other tires, wheels, suspension parts, etc., repaired/replaced. 8 2.79%
Additional damage to your Airstream: Functional damage affecting safety, including brake lines/parts, electrical wiring, propane lines, etc., repaired/replaced. 5 1.74%
Additional damage to your Airstream: Major damage to exterior or interior of Airstream, including body panels, rock guards, hot water heater, refrigerator, etc. 19 6.62%
Additional damage: Damage to tow or other vehicles. 0 0%
Additional damage: Personal injury, property or other damage not usually associated with tire failure. 0 0%
Cost of additional damage to Airstream: $0 (no damage). Note: Please, select only one “cost of additional damage to Airstream” response. 61 21.25%
Cost of additional damage to Airstream: Up to $100 (estimate, if not repaired). 8 2.79%
Cost of additional damage to Airstream: $100 - $500 (estimate, if not repaired). 9 3.14%
Cost of additional damage to Airstream: $500 - $1,000 (estimate, if not repaired). 7 2.44%
Cost of additional damage to Airstream: $1,000 - $5000 (estimate, if not repaired). 13 4.53%
Cost of additional damage to Airstream: $5000 - $10,000 (estimate, if not repaired). 2 0.70%
Cost of additional damage to Airstream: More than $10,000 (estimate, if not repaired). 1 0.35%
Cost of personal injury, property, tow vehicle or other damage associated with tire failure: $0 (no other damage). Note: Please, select only one “cost of other damage” response. 68 23.69%
Cost of other damage: Up to $100. 2 0.70%
Cost of other damage: $100 - $500. 0 0%
Cost of other damage: $500 - $1,000. 0 0%
Cost of other damage: $1,000 - $5000. 0 0%
Cost of other damage: $5000 - $10,000. 0 0%
Cost of other damage: More than $10,000. 0 0%
Did your tow vehicle also experience TIRE damage in conjunction with the tire failure on your Airstream: Yes. 1 0.35%
Did your tow vehicle also experience TIRE damage in conjunction with the tire failure on your Airstream: No. 130 45.30%
My Airstream is towed on: Interstate and multilane highways. 178 62.02%
My Airstream is towed on: State and other improved two-lane highways, with shoulders. 161 56.10%
My Airstream is towed on: Mostly paved and well-maintained lesser-used "backroads". 88 30.66%
My Airstream is towed on: Poorly/minimally maintained backroads and offroad. 27 9.41%
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:51 PM   #57
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Re: Your Michelin Tire Failures
Withidl,

I would like to add your comments regarding Michelin tires to the Tire Failure Poll. I just want to make sure it is OK with you; or I encourage you to cut and paste them in that thread yourself.

I just think that others who have switched to Michelins would appreciate the clarification, especially that they were 10 years old. Actually, what you experienced is how I think tires should fail. I don't understand how others can think that exploding and disintegrating are normal failure modes, just because the tires are on travel trailers.

Link to Tire Failure Poll appears below, for your convenience:

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f438...ml#post1311907

Thanks for responding!

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Withidl,

In analyzing the Tire Failure Poll data, you indicated that you had four, seven-year-old, Michelin, 15-inch (unspecified tire size), LT, load range D tires fail, with no reason given for what went wrong with them.

While I can assume that you may have replaced these due to age, it would be helpful if you could advise why these were replaced (blowout, tread separation, weather cracks, etc.).

Also, this appears to be one of the first LT tire failures reported on this site; so I'm sure others are also interested in the details.

Thanks in advance for your anticipated response.

Phoenix ("Skip" in Phoenix, AZ)


Phoenix, the tires failed due to age (they were actually 10 years old; June of 2001 to August of 2011).

None went flat, but leaving out of Houston enroute to Dallas I stopped to check them after ~50 miles. They looked good from the outside, but when looking under the Airstream at the inside ALL of the sidewalls were delaminating from the bead at the wheel rim. I never lost any air, and kept my speed to ~55 mph all the way to Dallas where I replaced them.



This is posted basis a request from "Phoenix" to clarify my tire failures.
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:50 PM   #58
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After problems with Marathons, I went to E-rated Maxxis tires. I had slipped belts on 6 successive Maxxis tires before I finally gave up and installed E-rated Carlisles on the advice of the Discount Tire manager. I had very little trouble with the Carlisle E-rated, but 3 friends/acquaintances had major trailer damage from Carlisle E-rated tires shedding treads but not losing air. Their tire alarms did not go off, but they suffered major trailer damage from the flailing treads, including entirely wiping out the dump plumbing.

I now have E-rated Michelin LTX tires and I hope this is the answer..
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Old 07-13-2013, 01:28 AM   #60
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Had my first ever blowout. But knowing our trailer, it was not the first blowout it has seen based on damage to the wheel well we had since we picked it up.

I heard a noise that sounded like a pop, looked in the mirror and saw blue smoke coming from the wheel well and toll Kimber to pull over, which she did without question quickly and smoothly.

The tire was shredded and the tread was totally delaminating with about 1 foot of tread completely gone.

I suspect the tire was already coming apart before I ever heard it.

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This was a Towmax tire load range D that I bought a year ago. I'll check dates later. It was replaced with a Commandore load range E tire.

Of course I did not inspect the tires before we left out this morning. I will be from here on out!
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Old 07-14-2013, 06:08 AM   #61
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Poll submitted for my blowout. I did learn that there IS a warranty for the wheel - but you have to present it to the company for replacement and of course I no longer have that tire. I found the warranty on TireRack's web site. You can see it HERE.
I had the tires installed initially at Big O and had them removed from the stock rims and put on my new rims a few weeks before leaving on our trip this summer, again at Big O.
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Old 07-14-2013, 09:02 AM   #62
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In September, 2011, after pulling two Airstreams a total of twenty-eight years, I had my first tire failure. I was within fifty miles of my destination on my move from Boise, ID to Grand Island, NE when a semi-truck driver lagged me down. I had thought I may have done something stupid that made him angry so was apprehensive when I stopped. However, he was a Good Samaritan who saw what I could neither hear nor feel. The tire was curbside front on my triple axle Limited. Had a four inch tear on the aluminum just ahead of the tire well. I can't, in good conscience blame the tire maker.

1. Tires were too old for safety – about seven years old.

2. Trailer was carrying some possessions (mostly in front) that didn't fit in the semi-trailer I hired for the move. This could have overloaded the front axle.

3. Occurred in mid afternoon of a very hot, sunny, day.

Since the tire was shredded I don't know whether or not the failure was due to the tire's age or a foreign object on the road.

I recently sold the trailer “as-is” without repairing the slight body damage (other than a quick-fix consisting of a backing piece fashioned from an old license plate and three pop rivets).
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RE Post #62-- I got this from who I think may be an administrator,

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It appears you previously completed this poll. If so, this site does not allow you to update/edit previous entry. Would appreciate it if you could provide details on tire in these photos. Thanks!
The tire was a Towmaster, 225X15, and was purchased from a Big O outlet in Boise. As stated it was about seven years old.
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Sorry, that note was from me, sent via the "Thanks" quick message box.

I thought others would be interested in the details of your tire failure, since you posted photos. However, I noticed that you had previously completed the poll, indicating that you had NOT had a tire failure in the previous five years; and I knew you couldn't add a second entry regarding this latest blowout, so I sent you the message, above. (By the way, I am not an administrator; I'm just another member.)

Thanks for adding this information.

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Old 12-02-2013, 09:08 AM   #65
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I responded no to "would you buy this tire again" for two reasons.

1. In October, we traded the 2013 25FB International Serenity with the five Michelin LTX (P) 235/75R15 XL tires we installed (JAN 2013) as soon as I got that unit home and read the forum on GYM tire issues.

2. Our ordered 2014 Classic Model 30 was too heavy for the tires captioned in item 1 above. We have ordered the 16" SenDel T03-66655T wheels and Michelin LT 225/75R16E LTX M/S2 tires and they will be mounted with a Dill 1506-453 TPMS and installed with Centramatic model 300-356 (all "A" plates for 16" wheels) wheel balancers. I will use the suggested McGard lug nuts recommended on the forum.

I had no issues with the 15" Michelins and they did NOT loose air while in storage. One had to be replaced due to a nail at the edge of the tread which is a non-repairable road hazard injury to the tire.
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Here is another failure. I reported a previous failure last year. This tire was just 2 years old (date code 1216), Goodyear Marathon purchased at JC. I had been using a TPMS system which has the sensors in the valve caps - unfortunately, the battery contacts of this type of sensor have been unreliable for the past year, necessitating constant cleaning of the batteries and pushing the contacts down with a ball point pen (as was shown to me by the TPMS vendor). The TPMS sensor did not trigger any alarm, and I was flagged by a passing motorist about the failure.

Besides the damage to the tire, there was some damage to the wheel well of my Excella, although the rim was not damaged at all. I have an appointment at JC to repair the wheel well.

The tire shop where I purchased a replacement tire was of the opinion that I had had a puncture while driving, and the loss of air pressure caused the tire to flatten and the rim to cut the tread off the tire. I have ordered a new TPMS system where the sensors are mounted inside the tire like the OEM units; these have a hard-wired battery that has a 5-year life (after which the sensor needs to be replaced, as $50 each).
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This happened to my Bro-in-Law this past weekend:

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Although I wasn't there to see in person, at first glance at the photo, I immediately thought "tread separation". The tech said it looked like a slice in a portion of the split, and I do find it odd that it "separated" in a smiley face. We'll probably never know.

2012 30' Classic with about 15K on it. Original tires. Lightly loaded, but never been on scales.

Fortunately, TPMS gave ample warning of impending doom.
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......Fortunately, TPMS gave ample warning of impending doom.
I speculated in another thread that this failure was road hazard related because it was so isolated. The loss of pressure is now confirmation.
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Old 10-09-2014, 09:46 AM   #69
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Tires get blamed for many things, such as "failures".

Yet, how many of those failures is not the fault of the tire, but the fault of the owner.

Tires are tires, and always will be.

All to many owners feel that a tire should take care of itself. WRONG!!!

All to many times, due to an owners negligence, tires fail because of improper or total lack of balancing.

A bouncing tire, very quickly, develops hot spots.

That IN ITSELF causes separation.

Balancing, means TIRE, WHEEL, HUB AND DRUM.

There is zero exception as to what should be done.

Granted, not many shops can balance the complete assembly, and many think all hub and drums are ok. WRONG AGAIN.

Fortunately, there is an easy fix, for those who want to do the best.

There is more than one brand of balancer that can be added to the drum, which takes care of the balancing issue, within reason. As an example, old drums, like in the 60 and 70's can be as much as 3 pounds, yes, three pounds out of balance. The only cure for that situation is to replace the drums, especially when replacing the axles. Newer drums are now one piece, and machined reasonably well. They still are not perfect, but close enough so that the add-on wheel balancers will easily take care of it.

Taking proper care of tires, most always, will be very rewarding, and make towing an Airstream, even more pleasurable.

Yes, those add-on balancers are not cheap, but they are not expensive either. With most of them, as soon as you hit 20 to 25 MPH, they automatically balance the running gear, AND, keep up with the tire wear. Saves a lot of head scratching.clap:

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Tire Failures (re-posted for "Gecko")

Note: The information below is re-posted on the behalf of AirForums member "Gecko".

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Our home base is Los Angeles. We take two large trips each year-the first to South Texas, through AZ and NM, and the second northbound, with first stop in NoCal and second in Hood River, OR. Here we can see extreme temps in late summer, but not usually more than high 90's, and we see 7% grades all the time. TV was a 2500 Suburban, replaced with a 3500 Sprinter. We use the same Equalizr 4 pt with both vehicles. We have a heavy tongue weight due to 4 large AGM batteries--two in the original position, built up 1/2 inch to accommodate, and the other two on the left side forward under couch near inverter and circuit breakers on our 28' International 2009.

Incident #1
TV Suburban, Goodyear marathon, front left, 65 psi recommended and maintained, new from dealer, not sure of balance method. 3.5 years of use (was going to replace in two months along with the whole set of originals and spare). Interstates, highways, back roads, and very little off road--dirt roads primarily, for distances under 1/2 mile. Stored on asphalt in winter. Approx mileage at time of failure--25K. Complete tread separation, no damage to Airstream (phew!), Autoclub so free roadside service. All tires replaced at nearby Les Schwab (Bend, OR) with their 10 ply Towmax as that was the best they had in stock. (Had requested Michelins, relatively ignorant, didn't know we'd need 16" wheels.")

2nd incident
Towmark, again left front. (Suspecting heavy battery weight now.) When pulling out of gas station, my wife noticed a bubble in the sidewall near tread in her side view. Fortunately, there was a tire place next door who changed it our for us before blowout, and a Les Schwab about 20 miles away. 80 psi max, ran at about 75 psi. 2 years old, about 14K miles. They warranteed, and also warranted another tire that they said was problematic (don't remember where it was). Total cost about $100. No damage, of course.

Currently thinking about (a) relocating batteries and (b) possibly changing up to 16" and Michelins for added safety, too.

Your thoughts would be appreciated, as well as any recommendation for a reputable source in Southern California for new wheels and tires. We do need to do something about our tongue weight. I am concerned that moving all four batteries aft (under the foot of our bed) will use up our little storage space and while taking 320 lbs off the front of the trailer, will move the same 320 for more trailer sway--effectively a 640 lb shift!

Our current tongue weight was measured by dealer last year at 1260 lbs, which is clearly over the 1095 15% max, so a 320lb shift aft should be OK for trailer sway while obviously taking load off the hitch, load leveling, and front trailer tires, particularly the left side with the extra weight there.
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