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Has a tire failed on your Airstream in the past 5 years – Yes. 144 50.17%
Has a tire failed on your Airstream in the past 5 years – No. 145 50.52%
Reason for tire failure: Valve stem leak/failure. 6 2.09%
Reason for tire failure: Bubble in sidewall. 17 5.92%
Reason for tire failure: Bubble in tread area. 9 3.14%
Reason for tire failure: Belt/tread slipped, but still relatively intact. 16 5.57%
Reason for tire failure: Tread separated, but still partially attached to tire body. 28 9.76%
Reason for tire failure: Tread completely separated, but tire body still inflated. 12 4.18%
Reason for tire failure: Blowout, sidewall. 16 5.57%
Reason for tire failure: Blowout, with tread separation. 57 19.86%
Reason for tire failure: Other reason(s), not stated above. 18 6.27%
Ambient/outdoor temperature when tire failure occurred or was noticed: Subfreezing to freezing temperatures. Note: Please, select only one “ambient/outdoor temperature”. 1 0.35%
Ambient/outdoor temperature: Freezing to 70-degrees Fahrenheit. 24 8.36%
Ambient/outdoor temperature: 70 to 90-degrees Fahrenheit. 80 27.87%
Ambient/outdoor temperature: 90 to 110-degrees Fahrenheit. 37 12.89%
Ambient/outdoor temperature: 110+ degrees Fahrenheit. 1 0.35%
The tire failed: Before driving. Note: Please, select only one “tire failure time”. 10 3.48%
The tire failed: While driving. 111 38.68%
The tire failed: After driving. 18 6.27%
Number of axles on your Airstream: 1. Note: Please, select only one “number of axles” response. 45 15.68%
Number of axles on your Airstream: 2. 157 54.70%
Number of axles on your Airstream: 3. 11 3.83%
Position of tire that failed: Axle #1 (front or single axle), left side. Note: Please, select all “failed tire positions” that apply. 48 16.72%
Position of tire that failed: Axle #1 (front or single axle), right side. 64 22.30%
Position of tire that failed: Axle #2, left side. 31 10.80%
Position of tire that failed: Axle #2, right side. 39 13.59%
Position of tire that failed: Axle #3, left side. 4 1.39%
Position of tire that failed: Axle #3, right side. 5 1.74%
Did a road hazard, hitch failure or vehicle accident cause or contribute to the tire failure: Yes. 10 3.48%
Did a road hazard, hitch failure or vehicle accident cause or contribute to the tire failure: No. 113 39.37%
Did the tire failure cause or contribute to a vehicle accident: Yes. 0 0%
Did the tire failure cause or contribute to a vehicle accident: No. 131 45.64%
Number of tires that failed during the original incident: 1. Note: Please, select only one “number of tires that failed during original incident” response. 119 41.46%
Number of tires that failed during the original incident: 2. 15 5.23%
Number of tires that failed during the original incident: 3. 5 1.74%
Number of tires that failed during the original incident: 4 or more. 3 1.05%
Number of additional tires that failed within 30 days or 1,000 miles of the original incident: 1. Note: Please, select only one “number of additional tires, within 30 days or 1,000 miles” response. 20 6.97%
Number of additional tires that failed within 30 days or 1,000 miles: 2. 4 1.39%
Number of additional tires that failed within 30 days or 1,000 miles: 3. 1 0.35%
Number of additional tires that failed within 30 days or 1,000 miles: 4 or more. 0 0%
Number of additional tires that failed within 12 months or 12,000 miles of the original incident: 1. Note: Please, select only one “number of additional tires, within 12 months or 12,000 miles” response. 11 3.83%
Number of additional tires that failed within 12 months or 12,000 miles: 2. 3 1.05%
Number of additional tires that failed within 12 months or 12,000 miles: 3. 4 1.39%
Number of additional tires that failed within 12 months or 12,000 miles: 4 or more. 2 0.70%
Type of tire that failed: ST. Note: Please, select only one “type of tire that failed” response. 112 39.02%
Type of tire that failed: LT. 4 1.39%
Type of tire that failed: Other/unknown. 8 2.79%
Tire size of failed tire: 215/75. Note: Please, select only one “tire size”. 13 4.53%
Tire size: 225/75. 109 37.98%
Tire size: 235/75. 16 5.57%
Tire size: Other. 4 1.39%
Wheel size of failed tire: 14 inch. Note: Please, select only one “wheel size”. 16 5.57%
Wheel size: 15 inch. 136 47.39%
Wheel size: 16 inch. 8 2.79%
Wheel size: Other. 0 0%
Load range of tire that failed: C. Note: Please, select only one “load range”. 15 5.23%
Load range: D. 90 31.36%
Load range: E. 32 11.15%
Load range: Other. 3 1.05%
Normal tire pressure for tire that failed: 36 psi or less. Note: Please, select only one “normal tire pressure” response. 0 0%
Normal tire pressure: 36-44 psi. 4 1.39%
Normal tire pressure: 50 psi. 26 9.06%
Normal tire pressure: 55-60 psi. 25 8.71%
Normal tire pressure: 65 psi. 87 30.31%
Normal tire pressure: 72 psi. 5 1.74%
Normal tire pressure: 80 psi. 15 5.23%
Normal tire pressure: 80+ psi. 0 0%
Tire was inflated to “normal tire pressure” above, at time of failure. 111 38.68%
Tire was inflated to a lower pressure. 6 2.09%
Tire was inflated to a higher pressure. 1 0.35%
Tire pressure was unknown at time of failure. 5 1.74%
Manufacturer of failed tire: BG Goodrich. Note: Please, select only one “manufacturer of failed tire” response. 6 2.09%
Manufacturer of failed tire: Carlisle. 21 7.32%
Manufacturer of failed tire: Goodyear Marathon. 100 34.84%
Manufacturer of failed tire: Goodyear (other than Marathon). 0 0%
Manufacturer of failed tire: Greenball. 2 0.70%
Manufacturer of failed tire: Maxxis. 4 1.39%
Manufacturer of failed tire: Michelin. 2 0.70%
Manufacturer of failed tire: Towmax. 8 2.79%
Manufacturer of failed tire: Other. 13 4.53%
Manufacturing country of failed tire: Canada. Note: Please, select only one “manufacturing country” response. 11 3.83%
Manufacturing country: China. 50 17.42%
Manufacturing country: Europe. 0 0%
Manufacturing country: Mexico. 1 0.35%
Manufacturing country: Other Far Eastern Countries (e.g., Japan, Taiwan, Korea, Malaysia, etc.). 3 1.05%
Manufacturing country: USA. 14 4.88%
Manufacturing country: Other/unknown. 51 17.77%
Tire age at failure: Less than 1 year. Note: Please, select only one “tire age” response. 9 3.14%
Tire age: 1-2 years. 29 10.10%
Tire age: 2-3 years. 39 13.59%
Tire age: 3-4 years. 42 14.63%
Tire age: 4-5 years. 13 4.53%
Tire age: 5-6 years. 8 2.79%
Tire age: 6-7 years. 10 3.48%
Tire age: More than 7 years. 7 2.44%
Tire age: Unknown. 1 0.35%
Tire mileage at failure: Less than 1,000 miles. Note: Please, select only one “tire mileage” response. 2 0.70%
Tire mileage: 1,000-5,000 miles. 38 13.24%
Tire mileage: 5,000-10,000 miles. 56 19.51%
Tire mileage: 10,000-15,000 miles. 22 7.67%
Tire mileage: 15,000-20,000 miles. 2 0.70%
Tire mileage: More than 20,000 miles. 13 4.53%
Tire mileage: Unknown. 20 6.97%
Was the failed tire balanced by the tire installer: Yes. 102 35.54%
Was the failed tire balanced by the tire installer: No (or unknown). 29 10.10%
Did the tire that failed use a dynamic balancing device (Centramatic or similar): Yes. 25 8.71%
Did the tire that failed use a dynamic balancing device: No. 80 27.87%
Parking surface for failed tire during extended storage (longer than 30 days): Concrete. Note: Please, select only one “parking surface” response. 42 14.63%
Parking surface: Asphalt. 24 8.36%
Parking surface: Gravel or dirt. 57 19.86%
Parking surface: Wood. 8 2.79%
Parking surface: Synthetic material (rubber, plastic, etc.). 1 0.35%
Parking surface: Other. 9 3.14%
Cost of roadside assistance, towing, etc. due to tire failure: $0 Note: Please, include costs reimbursed by insurance. However, do not include tires, wheels, etc. Also, please select only one “cost of roadside assistance...” response. 79 27.53%
Cost of roadside assistance, towing, etc.: Up to $100. 19 6.62%
Cost of roadside assistance, towing, etc.: $100 - $500. 16 5.57%
Cost of roadside assistance, towing, etc.: $500 - $1,000. 1 0.35%
Cost of roadside assistance, towing, etc.: $1,000 - $5000. 2 0.70%
Cost of roadside assistance, towing, etc.: More than $5,000. 0 0%
Cost of replacement tire, wheel, shipping, ext warranty, mount/balance, etc. due to tire failure: $0 Note: Please include cost reimbursed by insurance. Also, please select only one “cost of replacement tire, wheel, etc.” response. 13 4.53%
Cost of replacement tire, wheel, shipping, etc.: Up to $250. 86 29.97%
Cost of replacement tire, wheel, shipping, etc.: $250 - $500. 16 5.57%
Cost of replacement tire, wheel, shipping, etc.: $500 - $1,000. 8 2.79%
Cost of replacement tire, wheel, shipping, etc.: $1,000 - $2,000. 3 1.05%
Cost of replacement tire, wheel, shipping, etc.: $2,000-$3,000. 1 0.35%
Cost of replacement tire, wheel, shipping, etc.: More than $3,000. 1 0.35%
Additional damage to your Airstream, if any: None. 81 28.22%
Additional damage to your Airstream: Minor cosmetic damage, not repaired. 20 6.97%
Additional damage to your Airstream: Functional damage to other tires, wheels, suspension parts, etc., repaired/replaced. 8 2.79%
Additional damage to your Airstream: Functional damage affecting safety, including brake lines/parts, electrical wiring, propane lines, etc., repaired/replaced. 5 1.74%
Additional damage to your Airstream: Major damage to exterior or interior of Airstream, including body panels, rock guards, hot water heater, refrigerator, etc. 19 6.62%
Additional damage: Damage to tow or other vehicles. 0 0%
Additional damage: Personal injury, property or other damage not usually associated with tire failure. 0 0%
Cost of additional damage to Airstream: $0 (no damage). Note: Please, select only one “cost of additional damage to Airstream” response. 61 21.25%
Cost of additional damage to Airstream: Up to $100 (estimate, if not repaired). 8 2.79%
Cost of additional damage to Airstream: $100 - $500 (estimate, if not repaired). 9 3.14%
Cost of additional damage to Airstream: $500 - $1,000 (estimate, if not repaired). 7 2.44%
Cost of additional damage to Airstream: $1,000 - $5000 (estimate, if not repaired). 13 4.53%
Cost of additional damage to Airstream: $5000 - $10,000 (estimate, if not repaired). 2 0.70%
Cost of additional damage to Airstream: More than $10,000 (estimate, if not repaired). 1 0.35%
Cost of personal injury, property, tow vehicle or other damage associated with tire failure: $0 (no other damage). Note: Please, select only one “cost of other damage” response. 68 23.69%
Cost of other damage: Up to $100. 2 0.70%
Cost of other damage: $100 - $500. 0 0%
Cost of other damage: $500 - $1,000. 0 0%
Cost of other damage: $1,000 - $5000. 0 0%
Cost of other damage: $5000 - $10,000. 0 0%
Cost of other damage: More than $10,000. 0 0%
Did your tow vehicle also experience TIRE damage in conjunction with the tire failure on your Airstream: Yes. 1 0.35%
Did your tow vehicle also experience TIRE damage in conjunction with the tire failure on your Airstream: No. 130 45.30%
My Airstream is towed on: Interstate and multilane highways. 178 62.02%
My Airstream is towed on: State and other improved two-lane highways, with shoulders. 161 56.10%
My Airstream is towed on: Mostly paved and well-maintained lesser-used "backroads". 88 30.66%
My Airstream is towed on: Poorly/minimally maintained backroads and offroad. 27 9.41%
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:05 AM   #29
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Interesting poll and interesting data, however it seems that even as extensive as the poll is, it is lacking a significant group's input. That is, the ones like myself who have never had a tire failure. After you give the input that you have never had a failure, there is no more information asked. I took the poll and input my information so long ago, I had forgotten about it.

To be meaningful, I think there should be a section for input from those that have never had a failure about what they have done that could contribute to no failures. I know this could get really overloaded with data, but the poll actually only looks at one selective group.

As an example, did those who have had no failures drive slower, did they carry less weight, did they run higher air pressure, did they drive in mostly a cooler climate? If most of the people that had never had a failure ran max air pressure in their tires, that would be significant.
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Creating a poll is not easy and Phoenix should be congratulated for doing a pretty good job. I would like to see a way of knowing what percentage of failures according to each brand and specific tire, but the poll is already very long. Obviously there are going to be a lot of Marathon failures because there are a lot of Marathons, but what percent? There appears to be a slow, but steady migration to Michelins, but we have no percentages on that either.

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Creating a poll is not easy and Phoenix should be congratulated for doing a pretty good job. I would like to see a way of knowing what percentage of failures according to each brand and specific tire, but the poll is already very long. Obviously there are going to be a lot of Marathon failures because there are a lot of Marathons, but what percent? There appears to be a slow, but steady migration to Michelins, but we have no percentages on that either.

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Yes, I agree and in no way was trying to slight Phoenix's efforts.

The failures by brand of tire, and by country of origin of tire is actually in there.

I went to 16's on my Airstream, but went with Goodyear LT's, not Michilin because of cost. Haven't had them too long (little over a year), but happy with them so far.

I never had a failure with 15" ST's, but lived constantly in fear of the damage that would happen if I did have a failure.

I have a friend in our unit that refuses to use ANY steel belted tire (runs bias ply 700X 15) because he maintains it's the steel belt that does the damage to the trailer when the tire fails. Might be some merrit to that as well.
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I don't know that any tire is made without steel belts anymore.

The info I'd like to know is how many failures per mile with each specific tire—that is what I was trying to say. I don't think you can figure that out from the poll. Nonetheless, there is lots of good info in the poll.

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I don't know that any tire is made without steel belts anymore.

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You won't find them at your well known stores. Think my friend buys them from a farm Co-Op.
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Have had 3 Goodyear Explodeathon blowouts. Two were new within a year and the 3rd was older. Using MAXX now.
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Have had 3 Goodyear Explodeathon blowouts. Two were new within a year and the 3rd was older. Using MAXX now.
Just curious here, do you remember how much air pressure you were running?
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I plan to do another poll for people that switched to non-ST tires, but I haven't got to it yet. One thing that has deterred this effort is how cumbersome a poll is to construct, and then to edit and correct before posting, using the underlying software. Then, after it's posted, there's no way to make additions or corrections.

In any case, there is a lot of information buried in the poll above; but one needs to track each response from individual Airstream owners, which is a tedious process. Perhaps, I can do that one day; although, the info is becoming dated even though I encourage people with new tire failures to update the poll with new, current data.

One thing that is not immediately apparent, is that some entries contain errors. For example, the two responses that indicate 16-inch tires failed seem to imply that LT tires may also have problems on Airstreams. However, if you track the individual responses by User ID, those two failures were actually 15-inch GYMs. I'm not trying to find fault in the responses, only to point out the fact that, as with any poll, some data may be flawed.

In a detailed analysis of each User ID's responses, apparent incorrect data could be adjusted, assuming it is an obvious error and not an intentional response.

Regarding GYMs that did NOT fail, after reading all of the tire posts on this site, I think that a general summary statement would be that owners probably drove at 65 mph or slower (many driving 55-60 max); they kept their tires inflated to at least 60 psi (probably most used 65-72 psi); and they traveled mostly in areas where summer temperatures were below 100 degrees F. For those who purchased new tires and had no failures on their previous GYMs, please feel free to post your details in this thread.

In hindsight, I could have added certain questions, and others could have been worded differently, to get a more thorough summary of tire problems. However, this data appears to be more information than other RV sites have been able to gather. For that, I thank the Airstreamers who took (and continue to take) the time to contribute to this poll.

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I run the P metric Michlen tires on my 25'trailer and am confident with them. But not on a 32' with Al wheels and 65 inflation pressure. I think you need load range D tires. I put GYM on mine because I only pull it a few hundred miles a year. If I traveled in it I would look hard for a LT load range D tire of some brand.
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I don't know that any tire is made without steel belts anymore.

The info I'd like to know is how many failures per mile with each specific tire—that is what I was trying to say. I don't think you can figure that out from the poll. Nonetheless, there is lots of good info in the poll.

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There is at least one, Chinese, of course.
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My tire failed in the fall of 2011 as we were returning from the Rally at PTown, aprox Oct 14th. I had never had a blow out before and was quite supprised how much my Airstream shook. I took pictures and hope I can post them on here.
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Unfortunately this very detailed poll will be inconclusive as it does not address the success rate of various brands in use, only the number of failures and their causes. It will thus show the greatest number of failures on the most common original tires (Goodyear Marathons)
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Phoenix,
Thanks for putting this poll together and displaying the results. I recently acquired an '06 Airstream that has the original GYM tires on it. While they have a lot of tread left, I intend to replace them prior to any trips and especially since we are taking it to Alaska in May. So it is interesting to see others experiences with different tires.
My other trailer is a 17' Casita which is a single axle and weighs about 3000# loaded. I bought it new in '08 and it came with the 225/75/R15 GYM tires as I ordered it with the upgrade from standard 14" tires. I ran them with 65 pounds of air and checked each day and looked at each fuel stop. The last trip on them was this last summer and at the last fuel stop I noticed the tread bulging oddly on the right tire. We limped home, took it to Discount Tire where they showed me the tread separation that had started. I replaced them with Carlisle with an E load rating.
On the Casita forum that discussed the GYM tires and their failure, a letter was posted that was purportedly from a Goodyear engineer who said that the 65# of air was adequate and recommended only for speeds up to 65mph. And if you exceeded that speed you should increase the pressure to 75#. Since I rarely go faster than 65, I left mine at 65#. But this does show that AS is not the only group concerned about the tires. Now I have to decide what to replace with. Thanks for this information.
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afneill,

I don't want to tell you what to do with the tires, BUT if I were you owning a 25 footer, I would consider some of the "LT" rated tires for SUV's in the 235/75X15 size. They are adequate to handle the load of a 25', and you get away from the problems with the "ST" tire.

And yes, I am the same SteveH as on the Casita Forum. Good luck with whatever you decide to do with the tires.

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