View Poll Results: AIRSTREAM *NON-ST* TIRE POLL – Applicable only to Airstreams with NON-ST tires
TYPE OF TIRE INSTALLED – Please select only one response in this category: 12 13.64%
Type of Tire Installed: ST (Special Trailer tire) – ATTENTION: DO NOT PROCEED – THIS POLL IS FOR *NON-ST* TIRES ONLY! 4 4.55%
Type of Tire Installed: P (Passenger car tire) 9 10.23%
Type of Tire Installed: XL (Extra Load passenger car tire) 10 11.36%
Type of Tire Installed: LT (Light Truck tire) 54 61.36%
Type of Tire Installed: Other or unknown 2 2.27%
TIRE MANUFACTURER – Please select only one response in this category: 2 2.27%
Tire Manufacturer: BF Goodrich – Commercial T/A 0 0%
Tire Manufacturer: BF Goodrich – Other tire models 0 0%
Tire Manufacturer: Bridgestone 1 1.14%
Tire Manufacturer: Carlisle 1 1.14%
Tire Manufacturer: Continental 1 1.14%
Tire Manufacturer: Cooper 1 1.14%
Tire Manufacturer: Dick Cepek 0 0%
Tire Manufacturer: Dunlop 1 1.14%
Tire Manufacturer: Firestone 2 2.27%
Tire Manufacturer: Fuzion 0 0%
Tire Manufacturer: General 1 1.14%
Tire Manufacturer: Goodyear 2 2.27%
Tire Manufacturer: Hankook 0 0%
Tire Manufacturer: Kumho 0 0%
Tire Manufacturer: Maxxis 1 1.14%
Tire Manufacturer: Michelin – LTX M/S (older model; NOT the Defender) only 6 6.82%
Tire Manufacturer: Michelin – LTX M/S2 only 53 60.23%
Tire Manufacturer: Michelin – LTX A/T2 only 0 0%
Tire Manufacturer: Michelin – Defender LTX M/S only 6 6.82%
Tire Manufacturer: Michelin – XPS Rib only 6 6.82%
Tire Manufacturer: Michelin – Other tire models 2 2.27%
Tire Manufacturer: Nexen 0 0%
Tire Manufacturer: Nokian 1 1.14%
Tire Manufacturer: Pirelli 0 0%
Tire Manufacturer: Sumitomo 0 0%
Tire Manufacturer: Toyo 0 0%
Tire Manufacturer: Uniroyal 0 0%
Tire Manufacturer: Yokohama 1 1.14%
Tire Manufacturer: Other 1 1.14%
MANUFACTURING COUNTRY – Please select only one response in this category: 1 1.14%
Manufacturing Country: Canada 12 13.64%
Manufacturing Country: China 2 2.27%
Manufacturing Country: Europe 9 10.23%
Manufacturing Country: Mexico 0 0%
Manufacturing Country: Other Far Eastern Countries (e.g., Japan, Taiwan, Korea, Malaysia, etc.) 0 0%
Manufacturing Country: USA 18 20.45%
Manufacturing Country: Other or unknown 20 22.73%
TIRE SIZE – Please select only one response in this category: 1 1.14%
Tire Size: 205 3 3.41%
Tire Size: 215 3 3.41%
Tire Size: 225 51 57.95%
Tire Size: 235 25 28.41%
Tire Size: Other 1 1.14%
TIRE ASPECT RATIO – Please select only one response in this category: 1 1.14%
Tire Aspect Ratio: 70 8 9.09%
Tire Aspect Ratio: 75 68 77.27%
Tire Aspect Ratio: 80 1 1.14%
Tire Aspect Ratio: Other 2 2.27%
WHEEL SIZE – Please select only one response in this category: 1 1.14%
Wheel Size: 14 inch 0 0%
Wheel Size: 15 inch 35 39.77%
Wheel Size: 16 inch 51 57.95%
Wheel Size: Other 0 0%
TIRE LOAD RANGE – Please select only one response in this category: 1 1.14%
Tire Load Range: Standard 4 4.55%
Tire Load Range: C or XL 18 20.45%
Tire Load Range: D 8 9.09%
Tire Load Range: E 42 47.73%
Tire Load Range: F 1 1.14%
Tire Load Range: G 0 0%
NORMAL TIRE PRESSURE (cold) – Please select only one response in this category: 2 2.27%
Normal Tire Pressure: 36-44 psi 8 9.09%
Normal Tire Pressure: 50 psi 21 23.86%
Normal Tire Pressure: 55-60 psi 8 9.09%
Normal Tire Pressure: 65 psi 11 12.50%
Normal Tire Pressure: 72 psi 14 15.91%
Normal Tire Pressure: 80 psi 23 26.14%
Normal Tire Pressure: 80+ psi 1 1.14%
TIRE AGE (in years) – Please select only one response in this category: 4 4.55%
Tire Age (in years): 0-1 year 24 27.27%
Tire Age (in years): 1-2 years 12 13.64%
Tire Age (in years): 2-3 years 19 21.59%
Tire Age (in years): 3-4 years 12 13.64%
Tire Age (in years): 4-5 years 10 11.36%
Tire Age (in years): 5-6 years 3 3.41%
Tire Age (in years): 6-7 years 1 1.14%
Tire Age (in years): 7+ years 3 3.41%
Tire Age (in years): Unknown 1 1.14%
TIRE AGE (in miles) – Please select only one response in this category: 4 4.55%
Tire Age (in miles): 0-1,000 miles 10 11.36%
Tire Age (in miles): 1,000-5,000 miles 13 14.77%
Tire Age (in miles): 5,000-10,000 miles 18 20.45%
Tire Age (in miles): 10,000-15,000 miles 12 13.64%
Tire Age (in miles): 15,000-25,000 miles 16 18.18%
Tire Age (in miles): 25,000-50,000 miles 9 10.23%
Tire Age (in miles): 50,000-75,000 miles 2 2.27%
Tire Age (in miles): 75,000-100,000 miles 0 0%
Tire Age (in miles): 100,000+ miles 0 0%
Tire Age (in miles): Unknown 2 2.27%
ARE TIRES BALANCED – Please select only one response in this category: 7 7.95%
Are Tires Balanced: Static (bubble) balance 8 9.09%
Are Tires Balanced: Spin balance (tire spun on balancing machine or Airstream) 69 78.41%
Are Tires Balanced: No or unknown 5 5.68%
ARE DYNAMIC BALANCING DEVICES USED – Please select all responses that apply in this category: 4 4.55%
Dynamic Balancing Devices Used: Centramatics (or similar) 27 30.68%
Dynamic Balancing Devices Used: DynaBeads (or similar) 1 1.14%
Dynamic Balancing Devices Used: Other less common devices or methods 1 1.14%
Dynamic Balancing Devices Used: None or unknown 25 28.41%
NUMBER OF AXLES ON YOUR AIRSTREAM – Please select only one response in this category: 3 3.41%
Number of Axles on Your Airstream: 1 5 5.68%
Number of Axles on Your Airstream: 2 71 80.68%
Number of Axles on Your Airstream: 3 5 5.68%
WEIGHT OF AIRSTREAM (fully loaded, including tongue weight) – Please select only one response in this category: 4 4.55%
Weight of Airstream: 1,000-2,000 pounds 0 0%
Weight of Airstream: 2,000-3,000 pounds 1 1.14%
Weight of Airstream: 3,000-4,000 pounds 2 2.27%
Weight of Airstream: 4,000-5,000 pounds 8 9.09%
Weight of Airstream: 5,000-6,000 pounds 15 17.05%
Weight of Airstream: 6,000-7,000 pounds 15 17.05%
Weight of Airstream: 7,000-8,000 pounds 14 15.91%
Weight of Airstream: 8,000-9,000 pounds 20 22.73%
Weight of Airstream: 9,000-10,000 pounds 8 9.09%
Weight of Airstream: 10,000-11,000 pounds 3 3.41%
Weight of Airstream: 11,000-12,000 pounds 0 0%
Weight of Airstream: 12,000+ pounds 0 0%
PARKING SURFACE – Please select only one parking surface for tires during extended storage (longer than 30 days): 3 3.41%
Parking Surface: Dirt, rock, gravel, sand (or similar) 22 25.00%
Parking Surface: Asphalt 10 11.36%
Parking Surface: Concrete 33 37.50%
Parking Surface: Wood, cardboard, paper, etc. 6 6.82%
Parking Surface: Synthetic material (rubber, plastic, floor tiles, carpeting, etc.) 4 4.55%
Parking Surface: Off floor (Airstream on jacks) 5 5.68%
Parking Surface: Tires removed and stored off Airstream 0 0%
Parking Surface: Other 6 6.82%
AIRSTREAM TOWING CONDITIONS – Please select all responses that apply in this category: 4 4.55%
My Airstream is towed on: Interstate and multilane highways 72 81.82%
My Airstream is towed on: State and other improved two-lane highways, with shoulders 68 77.27%
My Airstream is towed on: Mostly paved and well-maintained lesser-used "backroads" 51 57.95%
My Airstream is towed on: Poorly/minimally maintained "backroads" and off-road 17 19.32%
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HAS A *NON-ST* TIRE FAILED ON YOUR AIRSTREAM – If YES is selected, please continue with this poll. However, if your answer is NO; please stop, and do not proceed further. The questions that follow pertain only to NON-ST tire failures. 4 4.55%
Has a NON-ST tire failed on your Airstream in the past 10 years? – Yes (Please continue.) 8 9.09%
Has a NON-ST tire failed on your Airstream in the past 10 years? – No (Please stop here.) 48 54.55%
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TIRE PRESSURE AT FAILURE – Please select only one response in this category: 0 0%
Tire Pressure at Failure: Tire was inflated to “normal tire pressure” (previously entered) 8 9.09%
Tire Pressure at Failure: Tire was inflated to a lower pressure 0 0%
Tire Pressure at Failure: Tire was inflated to a higher pressure 0 0%
Tire Pressure at Failure: Tire pressure was unknown at time of failure 0 0%
AMBIENT/OUTDOOR TEMPERATURE when tire failure occurred or was noticed – Please select only one response in this category: 1 1.14%
Ambient/Outdoor Temperature at Failure: Subfreezing to freezing temperatures 0 0%
Ambient/Outdoor Temperature at Failure: Freezing to 70-degrees Fahrenheit 2 2.27%
Ambient/Outdoor Temperature at Failure: 70 to 90-degrees Fahrenheit 6 6.82%
Ambient/Outdoor Temperature at Failure: 90 to 110-degrees Fahrenheit 0 0%
Ambient/Outdoor Temperature at Failure: 110+ degrees Fahrenheit 0 0%
TIRE FAILURE DESCRIPTION – Please select all responses that apply in this category: 0 0%
Tire Failure Description: Valve stem leak/failure 1 1.14%
Tire Failure Description: Bubble in sidewall 0 0%
Tire Failure Description: Bubble in tread area 0 0%
Tire Failure Description: Belt/tread slipped, but still relatively intact 1 1.14%
Tire Failure Description: Tread separated, but still partially attached to tire body 0 0%
Tire Failure Description: Tread completely separated, but tire body still inflated 0 0%
Tire Failure Description: Blowout, sidewall 0 0%
Tire Failure Description: Blowout, with tread separation 2 2.27%
Tire Failure Description: Other, not described above 4 4.55%
TIRE FAILURE TIME – Please select only one response in this category: 2 2.27%
Tire Failure Time: Before driving 2 2.27%
Tire Failure Time: While driving 4 4.55%
Tire Failure Time: After driving 1 1.14%
POSITION OF TIRE THAT FAILED – Please select all responses that apply in this category: 1 1.14%
Position of Tire that Failed: Axle #1 (front or single axle), left side 6 6.82%
Position of Tire that Failed: Axle #1 (front or single axle), right side 1 1.14%
Position of Tire that Failed: Axle #2, left side 1 1.14%
Position of Tire that Failed: Axle #2, right side 2 2.27%
Position of Tire that Failed: Axle #3, left side 1 1.14%
Position of Tire that Failed: Axle #3, right side 1 1.14%
CAUSES & CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: 0 0%
Did a road hazard, hitch failure or vehicle accident cause or contribute to the tire failure: Yes 3 3.41%
Did a road hazard, hitch failure or vehicle accident cause or contribute to the tire failure: No 3 3.41%
Did the tire failure cause or contribute to a vehicle accident: Yes 0 0%
Did the tire failure cause or contribute to a vehicle accident: No 7 7.95%
NUMBER OF TIRES THAT FAILED IN ORIGINAL INCIDENT – Please select only one response in this category: 1 1.14%
Number of Tires that Failed in Original Incident: 1 7 7.95%
Number of Tires that Failed in Original Incident: 2 0 0%
Number of Tires that Failed in Original Incident: 3 0 0%
Number of Tires that Failed in Original Incident: 4 0 0%
Number of Tires that Failed in Original Incident: 5 0 0%
Number of Tires that Failed in Original Incident: 6 0 0%
NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL TIRES THAT FAILED WITHIN 30 DAYS OR 1,000 MILES OF ORIGINAL INCIDENT – Please select only one response in this category: 1 1.14%
Number of Additional Tires that Failed within 30 Days or 1,000 Miles: 1 0 0%
Number of Additional Tires that Failed within 30 Days or 1,000 Miles: 2 0 0%
Number of Additional Tires that Failed within 30 Days or 1,000 Miles: 3 0 0%
Number of Additional Tires that Failed within 30 Days or 1,000 Miles: 4 0 0%
Number of Additional Tires that Failed within 30 Days or 1,000 Miles: 5 1 1.14%
Number of Additional Tires that Failed within 30 Days or 1,000 Miles: 6 0 0%
NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL TIRES THAT FAILED WITHIN 12 MONTHS OR 12,000 MILES OF ORIGINAL INCIDENT – Please select only one response in this category: 1 1.14%
Number of Additional Tires that Failed within 12 Months or 12,000 Miles: 1 0 0%
Number of Additional Tires that Failed within 12 Months or 12,000 Miles: 2 0 0%
Number of Additional Tires that Failed within 12 Months or 12,000 Miles: 3 0 0%
Number of Additional Tires that Failed within 12 Months or 12,000 Miles: 4 0 0%
Number of Additional Tires that Failed within 12 Months or 12,000 Miles: 5 0 0%
Number of Additional Tires that Failed within 12 Months or 12,000 Miles: 6 0 0%
COST OF ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE, TOWING, ETC. (including expenses reimbursed by insurance; however, do not include cost of new tires, wheels, etc.) – Please select only one response in this category: 1 1.14%
Cost of Roadside Assistance, Towing, etc.: $0 3 3.41%
Cost of Roadside Assistance, Towing, etc.: $1-100 0 0%
Cost of Roadside Assistance, Towing, etc.: $100-250 0 0%
Cost of Roadside Assistance, Towing, etc.: $250-500 0 0%
Cost of Roadside Assistance, Towing, etc.: $500-1,000 0 0%
Cost of Roadside Assistance, Towing, etc.: $1,000-2,500 0 0%
Cost of Roadside Assistance, Towing, etc.: $2,500-5,000 0 0%
Cost of Roadside Assistance, Towing, etc.: $5,000-10,000 0 0%
Cost of Roadside Assistance, Towing, etc.: $10,000+ 0 0%
COST OF TIRE REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT (including new tire and/or wheel, shipping, extended warranty, mounting & balancing and similar charges, even if reimbursed by insurance) – Please select only one response in this category: 1 1.14%
Cost of Tire Repair or Replacement: $0 0 0%
Cost of Tire Repair or Replacement: $1-100 3 3.41%
Cost of Tire Repair or Replacement: $100-250 2 2.27%
Cost of Tire Repair or Replacement: $250-500 2 2.27%
Cost of Tire Repair or Replacement: $500-1,000 0 0%
Cost of Tire Repair or Replacement: $1,000-1,500 0 0%
Cost of Tire Repair or Replacement: $1,500-2,000 0 0%
Cost of Tire Repair or Replacement: $2,000-2,500 0 0%
Cost of Tire Repair or Replacement: $2,500+ 0 0%
ADDITIONAL DAMAGE TO AIRSTREAM – Please select all responses that apply in this category: 1 1.14%
Additional Damage to Airstream: None 6 6.82%
Additional Damage to Airstream: Minor cosmetic damage (even if not repaired) 1 1.14%
Additional Damage to Airstream: Functional damage to other tires, wheels, suspension parts, etc. 0 0%
Additional Damage to Airstream: Functional damage affecting safety, including brake lines/parts, electrical wiring, propane lines, etc. 0 0%
Additional Damage to Airstream: Major damage to exterior or interior of Airstream, including body panels, windows, rock guards, water heater, refrigerator, etc. 0 0%
Additional Damage: Tow vehicle or other vehicles 0 0%
Additional Damage: Personal injury, property or other damage associated with tire failure 0 0%
COST OF ADDITIONAL DAMAGE TO AIRSTREAM (estimate, if not repaired) – Please select only one response in this category: 1 1.14%
Cost of Additional Damage to Airstream: $0 4 4.55%
Cost of Additional Damage to Airstream: $1-100 0 0%
Cost of Additional Damage to Airstream: $100-500 0 0%
Cost of Additional Damage to Airstream: $500-1,000 1 1.14%
Cost of Additional Damage to Airstream: $1,000-2,500 0 0%
Cost of Additional Damage to Airstream: $2,500-5,000 0 0%
Cost of Additional Damage to Airstream: $5,000-7,500 0 0%
Cost of Additional Damage to Airstream: $7,500-10,000 0 0%
Cost of Additional Damage to Airstream: $10,000-15,000 0 0%
Cost of Additional Damage to Airstream: $15,000-25,000 0 0%
Cost of Additional Damage to Airstream: $25,000+ 0 0%
Cost of Additional Damage to Airstream: Total loss (scrap/salvage) 0 0%
COST OF OTHER DAMAGE (including personal injury, property, tow vehicle or other damage associated with tire failure) – Please select only one response in this category: 1 1.14%
Cost of Other Damage: $0 5 5.68%
Cost of Other Damage: $1-100 0 0%
Cost of Other Damage: $100-500 0 0%
Cost of Other Damage: $500-1,000 0 0%
Cost of Other Damage: $1,000-2,500 0 0%
Cost of Other Damage: $2,500-5,000 0 0%
Cost of Other Damage: $5,000-10,000 0 0%
Cost of Other Damage: $10,000-25,000+ 0 0%
Cost of Other Damage: $25,000-50,000 0 0%
Cost of Other Damage: $50,000+ 0 0%
Cost of Other Damage: Total loss (tow vehicle, other vehicles and/or property) 0 0%
TOW VEHICLE TIRE DAMAGE – Please select only one response in this category: 1 1.14%
Tow Vehicle Tire Damage – Were tires also damaged on your tow vehicle: Yes 0 0%
Tow Vehicle Tire Damage – Were tires also damaged on your tow vehicle: No 4 4.55%
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Old 10-02-2016, 10:19 AM   #15
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Unladen swallow! Very well played!


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T'was Sir Robin, bravely running away from the Two-Headed Giant.
Tis but one answer for the unladen swallow question....
African or European?
Wrong answers will get you cast into the gorge of eternal peril, where they make the GYM ST tires.
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Could the person with the NON-ST failure please post the details for their tire incident (tire manufacturer, model, size, inflation pressure, etc.)?

Unfortunately, during poll creation, the POLL OPTION that allows participants' screen names to be displayed was not selected. Consequently, it's impossible to tie a person's answers in the first half of the poll, to their failure responses in the second half; and this option cannot be changed after the poll was posted.

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Old 10-02-2016, 02:39 PM   #17
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Thank you Phoniex for putting this survey together. I completed it, my 1994 34 footer was the first trailer my dealer changed the ST 15 inch to passenger tires 16 (on American Racing rims) back in 1994 and I am the second owner. One of his main reasons was a smoother ride and a slightly lower profile. And, another advantage is passenger tires are available almost everywhere. Some people have been concerned but when you add up the loads each tire can carry over 6 tires, there is still about a 2,500 lb window before being overloaded. I have owned it for 11 years and have had some flats mostly due to screws, etc or driving over curbs where the tire blew out.

I had a little difficulty completing the survey given after this last trip of 11,000 miles to the Northwest Territories and the Yukon on the worst roads we have seen in 25 years of towing, we had a total of 7 flats. The worst was a blow out with no indication on our TMPS (luckily no body damage), one tire had 3 flats and all withing 3 inches of each other but were slow and warning was given on my TMPS so I could stop. 2 of the other 3 were due to screws and nails, again my TMPS saved the day. And finally the last one could not be explained. All tires were less than 4 years old. Interestingly all the replacement tires were manufactured about 10 months before I purchased them.

We usually travel 13,000 miles a year and 'usually' have no problems.

I will be interesting to see any conclusions you derive from the survey.
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Thank you Phoniex for putting this survey together. I completed it, my 1994 34 footer was the first trailer my dealer changed the ST 15 inch to passenger tires 16 (on American Racing rims) back in 1994 and I am the second owner. One of his main reasons was a smoother ride and a slightly lower profile. And, another advantage is passenger tires are available almost everywhere. Some people have been concerned but when you add up the loads each tire can carry over 6 tires, there is still about a 2,500 lb window before being overloaded. I have owned it for 11 years and have had some flats mostly due to screws, etc or driving over curbs where the tire blew out.

I had a little difficulty completing the survey given after this last trip of 11,000 miles to the Northwest Territories and the Yukon on the worst roads we have seen in 25 years of towing, we had a total of 7 flats. The worst was a blow out with no indication on our TMPS (luckily no body damage), one tire had 3 flats and all withing 3 inches of each other but were slow and warning was given on my TMPS so I could stop. 2 of the other 3 were due to screws and nails, again my TMPS saved the day. And finally the last one could not be explained. All tires were less than 4 years old. Interestingly all the replacement tires were manufactured about 10 months before I purchased them.

We usually travel 13,000 miles a year and 'usually' have no problems.

I will be interesting to see any conclusions you derive from the survey.
Would you mind telling us which tires you were running on that trip.
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Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max P235/65 R16. Back in 2011 I had Goodyear Comfort Tread Tour and in 2008 Goodyear Accuride but I guess tires change over the years.
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Old 10-02-2016, 04:03 PM   #20
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Not to mention a poll of forum readers is not exactly representative.
Well, any kind of a 'poll/survey' of owners is better than a 'kick in the porch'!

How else is the guy gonna get any information that means anything???
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I don't see the poll, but I see the Pole when I look in the mirror.
Is this going to be a poll or a survey?
Why does the ST group have to go to a poll that contains the word "failure" but the non-ST group's doesn't?
How are you going to keep the non-ST people from participating and skewing the results?
What is the purpose of the poll?
Why is there air?
What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

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Is there a way to tell when the entries were made? I have a working hypothesis that ST tires have improved and the way to tell is to look at when the entries were made.
There is no way to improve ST tires. Their failure is due to the way they must be constructed. In simple terms, the tire is constructed and than the thread is attached. That makes them vulnerable to separation running at a lower pressure or higher speed than the recommended.

Those big chunks of tire pieces on the interstates are all pieces of ST threads being thrown of by Trailers. You will never see that coming of the tractor tires because they are Non ST tires.
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Are we all differentiating between ltx, a car tire, and LT, a truck tire? I know some are confused.
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Old 10-02-2016, 05:27 PM   #24
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Are we all differentiating between ltx, a car tire, and LT, a truck tire? I know some are confused.
The first few lines of the poll allow one to state the type of tire, and then to specify the mfg. and certain types of tire [for Michelin at least]. I think the choices available are the best that we can do right now, as Phoenix is not able to go back and edit the line items, as I understand it.

If you have more than one type of tire that has failed, I don't think you can account for that in this one-time-entry-only poll.

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TYPE OF TIRE INSTALLED – Please select only one response in this category:
Type of Tire Installed: ST (Special Trailer tire) – ATTENTION: DO NOT PROCEED – THIS POLL IS FOR *NON-ST* TIRES ONLY!
Type of Tire Installed: P (Passenger car tire)
Type of Tire Installed: XL (Extra Load passenger car tire)
Type of Tire Installed: LT (Light Truck tire)
Type of Tire Installed: Other or unknown
TIRE MANUFACTURER – Please select only one response in this category:
Tire Manufacturer: BF Goodrich – Commercial T/A
Tire Manufacturer: BF Goodrich – Other tire models
Tire Manufacturer: Bridgestone
Tire Manufacturer: Carlisle
Tire Manufacturer: Continental
Tire Manufacturer: Cooper
Tire Manufacturer: Dick Cepek
Tire Manufacturer: Dunlop
Tire Manufacturer: Firestone
Tire Manufacturer: Fuzion
Tire Manufacturer: General
Tire Manufacturer: Goodyear
Tire Manufacturer: Hankook
Tire Manufacturer: Kumho
Tire Manufacturer: Maxxis
Tire Manufacturer: Michelin – LTX M/S (older model; NOT the Defender) only
Tire Manufacturer: Michelin – LTX M/S2 only
Tire Manufacturer: Michelin – LTX A/T2 only
Tire Manufacturer: Michelin – Defender LTX M/S only
Tire Manufacturer: Michelin – XPS Rib only
Tire Manufacturer: Michelin – Other tire models
Tire Manufacturer: Nexen
Tire Manufacturer: Nokian
Tire Manufacturer: Pirelli
Tire Manufacturer: Sumitomo
Tire Manufacturer: Toyo
Tire Manufacturer: Uniroyal
Tire Manufacturer: Yokohama
Tire Manufacturer: Other
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Old 10-03-2016, 08:09 AM   #25
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There is no way to improve ST tires. Their failure is due to the way they must be constructed. In simple terms, the tire is constructed and than the thread is attached. That makes them vulnerable to separation running at a lower pressure or higher speed than the recommended.

Those big chunks of tire pieces on the interstates are all pieces of ST threads being thrown of by Trailers. You will never see that coming of the tractor tires because they are Non ST tires.
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I am truly sorry that you just do not understand. Allow me to bring you up to speed.

First, not only can ST tires be improved, but they can be constructed EXACTLY like LT tires.

Second, those chunks of tires on the interstates are mostly medium radial truck tires - you know, tires from those 18 wheelers. Yes, they are mostly off the trailer positions, but they are also many times retreaded and are on the trailer because of it - they are near the end of their life and are more likely to fail.

And I said mostly as it is not unknown for medium radial truck tires to fail in other positions - including steer positions.

Perhaps you are confused about ST tires. Not all tires used on trailers are ST tires. As you have alluded to, some are LT tires, some are medium radial truck tires, and some are P type tires.
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Old 10-04-2016, 06:52 AM   #27
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Phoenix, very interesting poll you put together. You might add one more category to determine those that have replaced the factory axles and did they replace with factory weight range or go heavier and what weight range axles were installed.

I replaced my 3500 lb factory axles (Sovereign 31') with 5200 lb and 12" brakes on both axles after a long discussion with a torsion bar axle design engineer.

I have only made two trips with them in 3 years because in June 2013 I got rear ended and sustained a Grade 3 concussion and torn up shoulder. About 5 months back I got her out of bed (completely covered under shed, tires on 2X10s, all with jackets to completely cover them from direct sunlight) and we set off for Nashville, Tenn.

We went up I-26 and got on I-40 at Asheville and I-40 is under repair and towards the Nashville end was rough going.

I have to say that was the nicest towing experience I have had with her since we got her in 2010 and if I had to do it again I would replace with exactly the same.

The above mileage was just remembered as we made a 2500 mile trip with just the tires in 2012 and it was very rough on the trailer as when I got the LTs. I had not yet realized the axles had taken a set at the next load range segment and rode extremely rough on the Ohio, PA and NY roads we were on.

I got educated about electric brakes on that trip as they failed about 20 miles from home with the magnets worn out along with the drums when I pulled a hub for a looksee as I was blowing fuses as fast as I put them in. Best I can figure we are the third or fourth owners of this rig.



I was reading on this forum about axle replacement and then knew what to look for and found instead of a down angle all the arms were parallel with the road surface which per the design engineer told me indicated they were in the 7000 lb range with very limited movement potential before they got to the third range which is like solid (no load absorption to speak of). Those axles are now on a trailer hauling fire wood for my buddy.

Subsequently I got a 20' trailer to haul my tractor on and to my surprise it had 6 lug wheels with same pattern and same tire size. When I was wiring it up for brake/stop lights and back up lights I found the brakes were completely shot. I pulled one off and took it to the trailer supply in Bishopville,SC and they measured it and ordered a pair 5200 lb axles with the next level of springs.

My next project is to replace those with new wheels designed for heavy loads with the 245 76 16 LT trucks tires off my 2500HD and use the ones that came on it for spares for the Airstream. I like to carry two spares when we travel for the truck and trailer. So I will have 5 spares.
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that may be true now a days but when I was driving OTR they would put recapped tires on the trailers. I watch one fly off and about hit a car heading to Atlanta on I-20.. The tire stayed inflated and on trailer just the tread came unglued. we call them "road gators". now I think that is not allowed but you still see tire chunks at times from OTR tires..

coming back from florida last year it was hot and I counted at least 5 RV's off the side with blown tires.. Would have loved to be able to stop and see tires, DOT info and talk with the owner but had to fly home. I would bet they were all ST GYM or the other ones.



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There is no way to improve ST tires. Their failure is due to the way they must be constructed. In simple terms, the tire is constructed and than the thread is attached. That makes them vulnerable to separation running at a lower pressure or higher speed than the recommended.

Those big chunks of tire pieces on the interstates are all pieces of ST threads being thrown of by Trailers. You will never see that coming of the tractor tires because they are Non ST tires.
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