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Old 04-08-2016, 01:34 PM   #99
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I have nothing against Michelin but there are other well known name brand of 16" tires out there that could save a few bucks ($40-$50/tire). For example my place of work has had much success with Firestone Transforce tires. This is a very common tire available across the country.
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Old 04-08-2016, 01:55 PM   #100
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I also use Firestone TransForce for the same reasons.
Also, the tires will dry rot before i ever get the tread life out of them.


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Old 04-08-2016, 04:47 PM   #101
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Tires start deteriorating as soon as they are out of the mold. Just the nature of the rubber compounds.

Being based in the SouthWest, four years elapsed time since made is the beginning of the upgrade cycle thinking and should be accomplished before five years passes.

When the winds of change indicate the last of the 15" Michelins are coming down the line, I will upgrade sooner than the five year maximum life cycle.

I wonder what Airstream will do with the smaller trailers like the 23' twin axle models with 14" tires and wheels? They would have to adjust the axle locations rearward about 0.5" so that 16" tires will fit in the front axle position with adequate clearance. And 80 psi would pound the stuffings out of a 6,000 GVW 23D, so 45 psi would give the Load E tires a 1,790 pound load rating.... They would also raise the trailer another .150" over the 15" Michelins I have currently installed.

I would have to upgrade the drum brakes from 10" to 12" to get the six lug nuts needed for the 16" SenDel wheels plus acquire the same 16" wheels I have on the Classic. That total upgrade to 16" operation would vaporize $2,000 easily.
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Old 04-08-2016, 11:15 PM   #102
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I think for my 25fb I'm going with 15's and not 16's per my Canadian airstream guru. Got this email from him today.



Stephen,

For your Airstream the best tire to use is a Michelin P235/75R x 15" XL (extra load). This tire is rated to carry 50 PSI but 42 is where you want to be with a 25'. We install hundreds of these every year and virtually never have a failure. We are actually just about to change the first test set we put on in 2007. These tires will ride much smoother than your current tires, as well they have considerably more traction especially in the wet. The 16" E range tire is too harsh riding and will cause a lot of movement of things in the Airstream and also contribute to loosened rivets etc. The other bonus is you don't need new wheels.

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Old 04-08-2016, 11:46 PM   #103
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Andy suggested 44 psi for the 15" Michelin LTX (P) 235/75R15 XL tires on my 2013 25FB International Serenity with a 7,300 pound GVW and I use that same pressure in the same tires mounted on our 23D which has a GVW of 6,000 pounds.

These tires carry their maximum load at 41 psi and perhaps I should drop the pressure to 42 as well or even 40 as the heaviest loaded tire on our 23D is only 1,376 pounds or just over 600 pounds under the derated capacity of this tire.

The 16" Michelin LT225/75R16/E LTX M/S2 tires are the tire of choice for our 2014 31' Classic as I see 8,200 pounds on the axles camping ready.
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So switz, how do you like the tires on your 25??
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I would like to upgrade my 2007 19' SE Bambi 15" wheels and tires to 16" Sendel wheels and Michelin E rated tires. Does anyone have recommendations or experience with the single axle Bambi for size of tires in relation to wheel well clearance? What about the Michelin M/S LT215/85 R16 Load Range E tire? Or are the 225/235 sizes a better fit. We have a Discount Tire in Durango, Co. but no Costco. Any recommendations on other cost effective supply sources?
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Old 04-09-2016, 10:13 AM   #106
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16" Sendel Wheels & 16" Michelin LTX Tires

If you have 15's I'd stay with those. The 16" E range tire is too harsh riding and will cause a lot of movement of things in the Airstream and also contribute to loosened rivets etc. The other bonus is you don't need new wheels. The Michelin LTX (P) 235/75R15 XL is an awesome tire.
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Old 04-09-2016, 11:06 AM   #107
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We liked the 15" Michelins on the 25FB. After trading the 25FB in on the future 31' Classic, the dealer removed them and installed the GYM ST tires saying they could not sell the trailer with those Michelins installed. I would bet a dime to a donut that they ended up on some one else's trailer there that I knew had an older 25' model.

The 19' Bambi has a GVW of 4,500 pounds. The literature tongue weight is 550 pounds which would imply the axle is supporting 3,950 pounds. The derated capacity of the 15" Michelin LTX (P) 235/75R15 XL tire is 1,985 pounds. Two could in theory support 3,970 pounds. The fully loaded trailer would load these Michelins to full capacity which is not considered a great idea.

A fellow forum member Phoenix has installed the 16" Michelin LT225/75R16/E LTX M/S2 tires that are rated 2,680 pounds each on his 19' Airstream with excellent results and there is adequate reserve in the tire for the load.

I ordered both the 15" SenDel T03-56445T wheels for the 23D and the 16" SenDel T03-66655T wheels and the 15" Michelin tires from my local Discount Tire in Mesa, AZ. I had ordered the 16" Michelins from CostCo before they went into short supply due to the recall of a prior generation same sized tire.
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Thank you Switz and Stephenb for your input. I am worried about the D rating on the Marathons. Just towed the trailer 7200 miles on the maiden voyage for us with no problems carrying probably close to 5000lbs loaded but I don't want to tempt fate in the future. I run Michelins on all the Toyotas that I have owned and love the tires. Does it make sense to buy a cheaper spare tire for the steel wheel, knowing it would probably only be used in an emergency situation to get to a tire store? By the way Stephen I grew up in Council Grove and went to K-State vet school. Saw that you are from Hutch.
Thanks again for your help. Also, Ray thanks for the thread.
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I also use Firestone TransForce for the same reasons.
Also, the tires will dry rot before i ever get the tread life out of them.


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My 2016 RAM 2500 4x4 came with Firestone Transforce ATs. I've read some terrible reviews of the tires on the Cummins, RAM and vendor sites like Amazon. They seem to wear out quickly and don't perform well in icy conditions or even in mud or light snow.
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Old 04-10-2016, 06:39 AM   #110
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My 2016 RAM 2500 4x4 came with Firestone Transforce ATs. I've read some terrible reviews of the tires on the Cummins, RAM and vendor sites like Amazon. They seem to wear out quickly and don't perform well in icy conditions or even in mud or light snow.
I put a set of these on the truck last November. So far I have no complaints. The tires took minimal balancing and are quiet on the road. The truck is smooth on the highway.
A fellow member in our WBCCI unit runs the Michelin AT tire on his 3/4 ton truck and he is happy except for the fact that the front of his Airstream has taken a beating from the tires chucking rocks.
My truck originally had Michelin LTX tires which were great for the dry highway in the summer. I would have to put the truck in 4wd just to cross our yard. The tires were getting old and stiff making the ride rough. I sold them on Craigslist for a hundred bucks or so. I seriously considered Michelins again but I couldn't pass up the price on the Firestones which were more in line with my budget. My tire shop said the Firestone Transforce line of tires are the best bang for your dollar as customers just don't complain to him about the tires. If they are junk I will admit my mistake. I have Firestones on my other two vehicle and have been pleased with them.
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The Firestone TransForce is not a long life tire.
I chose this tire due to price.
No need to spend more for longer tread life that I will never get to use because the tires will dry rot first whether I paid more or less for the tires. No need to pay for 80,000 mile tires when they will dry rot or age out at 40,000 miles.


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This thread is great - Ray, thanks for starting this discussion!

I'm about to purchase new tires and wheels (and balancers and TPMS) for my 2015 25' Flying Cloud FB. I also wondered not only about the ride quality of 16" wheels but if they'll fit the wheel well to allow for suspension travel. The stocker GYMs have performed well enough for the first 8,000 miles, but like others here I think I'm on borrowed time. Just had my first flat due to picking up a screw on the road.

I recently put Michelin Defenders on the truck and love 'em. I'll be full timing starting this summer, so I'll probably want the longer-wearing Michelins on the trailer as opposed to something less expensive.

So after reading through this thread, especially Stephenb's comments, should I just keep my stock rims and try to find 15" LTX E range tires for the trailer? Where would I find something like that?
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