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Old 04-07-2016, 07:49 AM   #85
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I'd like to know how the Michelin's worked out for you.

I'm thinking of upgrading to 16" (Sendel) wheels and Michelin's as well.

Michelin says they don't make a "trailer tires" in 16" . They only tires available in load range E in the 225/75R16 are LT not ST tires.

What is the down side to putting a LT tires on a trailer.

I'm not happy with the GYM just returned from a 7800 mile trip and the GYM were a constant worry. Had to replace two enroute. Luckily no catastrophic events just a pain in the butt type of problem.

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I converted two different trailers to 16" Michelins and Sendel wheels and now have a full set put on at the factory when we ordered our 2015 30" FC. I will not travel with any other tire from now on. That said, prior to our first conversion and for our second conversion I called Michelin several times to see their position on using the LT E rated on trailers - the customer service people stated it's a misuse and will not be warranted. I called several times and got different CS and same answer I also got a very long answer stating same in an email, two times.

So, when we ordered from the factory I called and asked an engineer about the tires they were going to install on our AS as an option. At the time, October of 2014 they had no arrangement or agreement with Michelin nor Sendel. They buy the wheels with the tires installed from a local Michelin dealer.

I checked just to see, really makes little difference to me, the set up works, works well, with goodyears I had one separate after 2,000 miles (I think) and once we switched out, nothing. No more popped rivets either.

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Old 04-07-2016, 09:03 AM   #86
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We installed the 15" Michelin LTX (P) 235/75R15 XL tires on our 2013 25FB International Serenity. The tires were purchased from CostCo and installed on my original Airstream factory rims. I got a screw in the outside radius of one of them and the tire was replaced by CostCo as a road hazard. Note that I carried two tires in at a time from the storage unit for the initial installation so the trailer was not on their property. I carried in the flat as well. The tire manager knew the application.

When I installed the 16" Michelin LT225/75R16/E LTX M/S2 tires on the new SenDel T03-66655T rims for the 2014 31' Classic, I took them all at once to CostCo for fitment. CostCo had provided the tires.

We installed the 15" Michelin LTX (P) 235/75R15 XL tires on our 2015 23D International Serenity at Discount tires onto new SenDel T03-56545T rims. I carried them in a U-Haul to the east coast and had them installed on the new trailer by the dealer. A little tin smithing was necessary on the curb side front edge of the wheel well as it was not cut as close to the plastic fender inside the wheel well as the street side. No way 16" Michelins would fit on the 23D and they would be too stiff for the trailer.

In both 15" installations, we run 44 psi per Andy at CanAm. I also know the individual tire loads on the 23D and we have over a 600 pound margin below the derated capacity of 1,983 pounds.

We found 72/73 psi to be the sweet spot for the 16" tires on the Classic given the individual tire and axle loads.
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Just did receive 5 Sendel 16" wheels and Michelin LT load range E tires. Mounted and balanced along with the lug nuts. Shipped the afternoon of Monday 4/4/16 from Long Beach, CA by ground. They arrived before noon on Friday. WOW!!!! Go FED-EX. They look beautiful and quality. They will go on the AS next week.
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Hey switz great info on the whole tire/wheel upgrade. I've got a 2012 flying cloud 25FB and need tires. I was looking at the 16" upgrade with the Michelin tires but am I to understand you used 15" on your 25'? Would it be better to make the 16" upgrade or stay with my 15's. Is there a big advantage one way or another? Thanks.
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Stephenb, in general the tire industry is moving away from 15" to 16" so down the road there will be more choices for the next set of 16" tires. Depending on what you want in 15" the selection of Michelins may already be thin IMO. If you check it out, please let us know if you run into any dead ends. Thanks.
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The move from 15" wheels has already happened.
We have a couple of more years till we have to get 17" wheels...
Today 16" tires are still common and easy to find.


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I'd like to know how the Michelin's worked out for you.

I'm thinking of upgrading to 16" (Sendel) wheels and Michelin's as well.

Michelin says they don't make a "trailer tires" in 16" . They only tires available in load range E in the 225/75R16 are LT not ST tires.

What is the down side to putting a LT tires on a trailer.

I'm not happy with the GYM just returned from a 7800 mile trip and the GYM were a constant worry. Had to replace two enroute. Luckily no catastrophic events just a pain in the butt type of problem.

Pulling an '06 25' FB Safari.
TV ' 06 Ford Super Duty

Thanks for any updates or advise.
There is no downside.
These tires are a much higher quality tire than GYM,s and are used by many on this forum.Airstream even sells them as a upgrade package at the mothership.Also made them standard on the Eddie Bauer edition.This has been discussed here many times.
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I have a 1991 Excella 25' that will need tires after I do the axles. I will have to do it in steps, axles first. Currently has 3 GYMs and two generic tires. All 15s.

Just last week I towed it home 2100 miles from Yuma, AZ to Wisconsin. Happy to say not one tire issue, on the trip. I am leaning towards sticking with the original 15" factory steel wheels. Thinking about putting money to TPMS rather than aluminum wheels. I do admit the aluminum wheels do look good. My pockets are not very deep and I have to get bang for the buck.

Is it taboo to ask what you guys are paying for these wheel and tire combos?
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I'd like to know how the Michelin's worked out for you.

I'm thinking of upgrading to 16" (Sendel) wheels and Michelin's as well.

Michelin says they don't make a "trailer tires" in 16" . They only tires available in load range E in the 225/75R16 are LT not ST tires.

What is the down side to putting a LT tires on a trailer.

I'm not happy with the GYM just returned from a 7800 mile trip and the GYM were a constant worry. Had to replace two enroute. Luckily no catastrophic events just a pain in the butt type of problem.

Pulling an '06 25' FB Safari.
TV ' 06 Ford Super Duty

Thanks for any updates or advise.
How old were your GYM's? Original tires?
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Is the Michelin LT 225/75 R16 LTX M/S2 (10 Ply) Load Range E the recommended tire?
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There is a new Michelin 15" tire in the Defender series coming this spring. It will have another 100 pounds of sidewall load capacity that will still need to be derated 10% for non car use. That would put the trailer use above the current 1,983 pounds into perhaps the 2,075 pound category. It would still be an excellent tire for the 25, 27, & 28 units with GVW at or below 7,600 pounds. Plus running at 44 psi (per Andy Thompson at CanAm) gives these trailers a very soft ride as compared to the 65 psi in the GYM stock tires or the 16" Michelins at 80 psi.

The 16" Michelins would have less than 0.25" clearance on the curb side front wheel well opening on our 23D. The highest loaded tire on the 23D is about 1,350 pounds ( on iPhone so can not get to actual weight) which is less than 50% of the 16" capacity. We have over a 600 pound load margin with the 15" Michelins.
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Is it taboo to ask what you guys are paying for these wheel and tire combos?
No secrets here. My Michelins 225 with 16 inch Sendel wheels came in at about 1400.00. That's mounted and balanced. The convenience of the tires ready to go on the trailer was worth a little more to me. I would say depending on the deal you can negotiate $1300 to $1500. It was time for me to change tires, so a good time to do the upgrade. I have seen the damage that GYM tires can cause. I feel better already.
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We now have 2000 miles on the 16" michelins and I think it was a good move, they roll easy.....no worrys...
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