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Old 03-24-2016, 12:59 PM   #15
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What about the spare, do you guys upgrade the spare and does it fit in the A frame cradle?

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I upgraded all five. I was able to get the spare in the rack with a tight fit. I have read that some others have modified the holder somewhat.

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Old 03-24-2016, 01:24 PM   #16
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EXCELLENT presentation, OUTSTANDING responses. I'm impressed all the way around. This is something in which I've been seriously interested. Thanks for pushing the button.

General question for all on this subject:

What's the consensus on a similar move with a 2002 30' Classic? Is there any obvious irresolvable problem like "the wheel wells aren't large enough for the tires/wheels", or "the distance between the axles isn't enough"? Elevation differences are not a concern.

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Old 03-24-2016, 01:27 PM   #17
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I guess you can pick up a nail/screw anywhere. So far I haven't had to use my spare, now three years old unused. It would be a pain to remove it from under there on a busy highway. I guess you need to jack up the A frame for better access. I bet it would take another 40lbs off the tongue weight if removed.

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Old 03-24-2016, 01:41 PM   #18
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I used the spare once from campground to home because the Puff-up-athon had puffed up, but not yet become an Explode-athon.
I noticed the tread all bulged out in a campground and put the spare on for the trip home.
Then when Sendels and LT tires were here I put them on in the side yard to the north of my house.
Sold the 15" OE wheels on Airstream Classifieds to a nice man in Indiana.


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Old 03-24-2016, 01:59 PM   #19
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16" Sendal Wheels/tires

I did this exact upgrade last summer on my 27' FB Classic. For me, this was one of the best decisions I've made. Two of the 15" tires I replaced looked fine on the outside, but had beginning tread separation that could have been catastrophic. I replaced all 5 wheels/tires. I had a little trouble getting the spare in place, but a few grunts with a large wrench provided minor bracket modification and all was good. I plan to do a 5 wheel rotation every year and consider tire replacement after 6 seasons.
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Old 03-24-2016, 02:42 PM   #20
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Ray:

EXCELLENT presentation, OUTSTANDING responses. I'm impressed all the way around. This is something in which I've been seriously interested. Thanks for pushing the button.

General question for all on this subject:

What's the consensus on a similar move with a 2002 30' Classic? Is there any obvious irresolvable problem like "the wheel wells aren't large enough for the tires/wheels", or "the distance between the axles isn't enough"? Elevation differences are not a concern.

Thanks to all.....Airstream Forums are greatly appreciated.....


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I did the upgrade on a 2013 Classic 30. No clearance issues at all.
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Old 03-24-2016, 02:44 PM   #21
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Old 03-24-2016, 03:11 PM   #22
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m.hony... you did not say if you went to LT225 or LT235 Michelins.

I have to assume LT225, but could you clear that one up. Nice wheels.
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I purchased five wheels and will use five michelin LT225/75R16 LTX M/S2 tires. We run Michelin LTX's on the Tundra and the Passenger version on our Land Cruiser. Never an issue. The Stock Goodrich tires we remove, sell like new on Craigs List and everyone is happy.

Spare Tire Issue:

You are going from 15" to 16" wheels and if you use your 15" as a spare, it may create issues where your axle flexes with the weight on that side supported by one 16" and one 15". You get flat spots when the tire contacts the road as it will be free spinning and not making contact when installed.

You could buy the wheel and buy a used Michelin as a spare. Then you do not have to rotate and worry that the tire will rot and have to be replaced in five years, unused.

Anyone have comments on that possible issue?

There is nothing like being out in nowhere, have a flat tire and running a 15" spare on a trailer with 16" wheels. Even a steel wheel is not cheap, new. Purchasing an aluminum wheel from Airstream would probably scare me when I saw the price they want.

I have yet to have a Marathon 15" on my 2014 International going bad, but I am buying FIVE TIRES AND WHEELS as insurance over a $3,000 fender repair some day.
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Old 03-24-2016, 04:08 PM   #23
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I just installed the 16 inch Sendels and Michelin tires 3 weeks ago. I paid just around $348 for each installed with chrome nuts and metal stems. I did it all at my local Discount Tire Store! Totally happy and sold the old wheels!
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Old 03-24-2016, 04:47 PM   #24
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Hi Ray,

Since you are collecting experiences from others, I will share mine. I had two fender shaping experiences with the ST tires on my 1998 Safari as well as a tread separation or two.

I now have a 2007 25' Classic. I finally gave up on ST tires and in March of 2012, I bought 5 16" Sendel wheels and Michelin LTX M/S LT 225/75-16 tires. I ordered all from the Internet and had a local garage mount and balance them.

The trailer wheel wells were not all exactly the same size. I was not happy with the reduced clearance in two locations and expanded the wheel wells. Very easy to do. I will attempt to post photos.

I have heard that some spare tire carriers will take a 16" wheel without problems. Mine would not. I cut the retaining brackets and welded in a short piece of 1/2 iron pipe, which fortunately was a perfect fit for the rods used as retaining brackets.

I went to our local dealership and looked at the nameplate of an Eddie Bauer unit 2 or 3 years ago. A/S listed the recommended pressure on a 25' EB with the exact same wheels and tires at 80 lb. But I usually run between 65 and 70 lbs. The Michelin loading tables for my axles weights recommends even less.

My experience with these tires has been exactly the same as the Michelins on my truck. After 4 years and over 30,000 miles on the trailer, absolutely zero problems, hassles, or worries.

I like the extra margin on speed rating. I usually drive between 60 and 65 but I would rather do that on tires rated for 90 than tires rated for 65.
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LT 225/75R16
Don't think the 10 mm difference would make the tires too big-
I think LT 235:75R16 tires would fit just fine.


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Ray,

I put the 16" Sendels and Michelins on my Safari 25. I read posts about stressing the trailer, rivets popping, etc. On the 25 I ran them at 75 psi because that gave me the same load carrying capacity as the 225/75-15 LR D tires that were on the trailer when I bought it. I towed the trailer for a year with an F-150 and upgraded to a Ram 2500 Cummins. In deference to the concerns about 3/4T trucks being too harsh on trailers, particularly with the Equalizer brand hitch, I milled my 1000# bars down .050 on all sides which effectively made them 750# bars. I never noticed any problems with either configuration.

I recently traded the 25 for a Classic 30 S/O (and kept my wheels and tires) and tow it with another equalizer hitch. Due to the higher GVWR I run the tires at 80 psi. So far, no observable damage in over 11,000 miles of towing, 2000 miles with the 30 footer. However, I heard yesterday that the most common failure was popped interior rivets. Since both my trailers have/had the vinyl ceiling and mouse fur walls, I wouldn't have seen any popped rivet heads.

I will suggest you add a TPMS. I did and it saved me when bringing the 30 home. I hit some debris I couldn't avoid on an exit ramp in Atlanta. About a mile later the TPMS alarmed. I slowed to 15 mph and exited. By the time I got stopped in a parking lot where I could change the tire it was down to 11 psi. At no time did I hear or feel anything that would have let me know I had lost a tire. As a result, I had no damage to the trailer and limited stress to the other tire on that side. I figure the $250 expense saved me 2 or 3 thousand in trailer repairs.

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Ray, thanks for starting this discussion. I am in the process of selecting a new set of tires for my Safari 25. Why is it necessary to change the wheel size to 16"?

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