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Old 08-28-2016, 06:46 AM   #239
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Thanks Phoenix for that 2014 link, and thanks also to Ray for this thread, and to CruzinDux and others for the recent discussion. After reading many tire threads, we will probably follow Ray's route here for our FC20. Timing TBD, but before any major road trips for sure.

Bob, have you checked the availability in your area for the Michelin LT225 / 75R16 LTX M/S2 in Load Range E, which is what we need for our single-axle FC20's right? [5,000 lbs. gross weight]

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Thanks for the follow up Ray. I'll check out the two posts you referenced. I had originally planned to go with the same tire LT225 / 75R16 LTX M/S2 (appropriately sized) for the TV and Toad. Probably won't opt for the LTX A/T2 as we don't boondock or back-road but will take a second look.

Thanks for the feedback.
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http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....um=275R6LTXMS2
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Old 08-28-2016, 08:40 AM   #240
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.......... Again... M/S meaning?... although CapriRacer tossed out an idea. It obviously has to do with the tread pattern... but still not content with what it means. The '2' may be the second generation so they can charge more than the '1' generation.... These would NOT do well on mud, snow, sleet, slop, cow patty's and other similar road conditions, IF on a pickup truck.
First, there is the industry designation M/S, which has one meaning - and a fairly precise one at that. Short version: M/S = All Season

Then there is the use of those letters in a tire brand - which can have a completely different meaning - one that only the marketing department of the brand involved will know. It's the second meaning that is bothering you - and that is understandable.

My interpretation? The Michelin tire with those letters is a slightly more aggressive All Season tire than the A/S, but not to the point where they could use the A/T letters (perhaps for All Terrain?)
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Old 08-28-2016, 12:50 PM   #241
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Thanks......

Bob, have you checked the availability in your area for the Michelin LT225 / 75R16 LTX M/S2 in Load Range E, which is what we need for our single-axle FC20's right? [5,000 lbs. gross weight]

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Tire Rack listing: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....um=275R6LTXMS2
Peter not yet. The TV comes first and that will be this winter after the MO trip. The TOAD will probably be until the following winter.

I also still need to get a better handle on the "Defender", probably earlier in this or other threads. I'm not sure if the newer tires are the Defender or a different series

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Old 08-28-2016, 01:12 PM   #242
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Thanks Bob, good catch, as the new Michelin Defender LTX M/S series may be where the tire dealers will have the best selection. Tire Rack lists a similar "E" tire in this new series with the same 2,680 max. load. Will touch base on the 20-footer thread when we get closer this Fall.

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PS -- Here is the link, which now does list the LT225/75R16 115/112R E [see Specs tab under tire photos]. My recollection is that months ago, this new tire was not yet listed as available yet from Michelin. Good news:

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...nder+LTX+M%2FS

Under Description tab: "Compared to the popular Michelin LTX M/S2 it replaces, the new Defender LTX M/S tires share the same highly functional tread pattern, and offer improvements in wear life/longevity to better meet the high-torque demands of modern trucks. Defender LTX M/S is designed to be stronger, longer."
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Old 08-28-2016, 04:04 PM   #243
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Defender tread wear rating is quite a bit less than the LTX M/S2. Otherwise they seem similar.
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Those are nice too! We just thought the black would be fun for a little "drama".

Like the look better. Going to order the same. Thx for pic. Looks really nice.


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Getting ready to order the new 16" Sendels but keep going back to the Nokian Rotiiva AT 235/75R15 116/113 S, max load 2760.

Has anyone used the Nokian?

It is.59" taller and .39" wider which I think .2" would clear the wheel well opening lip just fine.

I am often pulling in and out of the snow, sometimes heavy, visiting family in Phoenix over Christmas and Spring Break so I like the aggressive nature of the tread and its bent toward being more of a winter tire. I am not concerned about tread life as age will win over miles.

Thoughts?
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Old 08-29-2016, 09:32 AM   #246
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No need for traction/aggressive tread on the trailer-
Only need traction/aggressive tread on the tow vehicles drive wheels-
HT tread will last longer than AT tread.
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However, the mud and snow -- all-weather etc. -- variety of tire makes sense for the trailer -- to control spin-out on curves in mud and snow, but more importantly for braking and stopping in less-than-perfect road conditions.

A regular passenger tire type tread will spin out or skid much more easily than a M&S, if the road is imperfect.

Better safe than sorry IMO.

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The surprise for me this spring was the replacement Michelin Defender LT265/70/R17E tires have a significantly shorter tire warranty than the ones that came on the truck built in June of 2012.

That is not an issue as the truck is dedicated to towing the 31' Classic and does not get lots of extraneous mileage.
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LT225, LT235 and LT265! Why not Snow Chains too!

Those who believe that the WIDER the standard LT and P tire is better for traction, better purchase a set of chains for your Airstream for traction. As that would be needed.

CapriRacer may also have some feedback. I am sure that Switz will be calculating weight per square inch on the tire surface in contact with the pavement, as well.

In my foolish hot rodding days, 427 cubic inch 1967 Corvette and 1969 Corvette had wider tires than those with the 327 cubic inch engines. On black top in Missouri, at a stop light turning green, I would try to gently get either one of these front heavy Corvettes to begin to move, without spinning out with no traction on the light water/oil film.

Good luck. I could spin doughnuts trying to get moving. It was at that time in my life that a pickup truck and a all wheel drive Land Cruiser were a better choice. Especially for hauling a jukebox or two, or sheet rock...

I have seen full sized farm tractors gets stuck alongside a country road on the side of a ditch. A large diesel farm hay hauler and me on the tractor could not get the tractor to move one inch. And these large tractors have plenty of tread and horsepower. All of no value in some situations.

I see widths on this Thread going from LT225, LT235 and Switz... my goodness... LT265! Obviously have a lot in common with CapriRacer and toss some clorox onto the black top and tell us if your Airstream is smoking or not....

My VW's all had 15" tires for the 1956 and 1964. Had Airstream had a choice of tires they would be 13 inch to save money.

The 16 inch Michelins at LT225 fit with room to spare, into the wheel wells, although the trailer needs to be a little higher to angle them onto the axle lugs. Other than that, at 15 mph to 75 mph on my highway test(s)... NO sway. No wandering of trailer. No sense of higher speeds affecting control of the trailer or the F350 4x4.
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Switz,

I theorize that Michelin may have rebranded the LTX tires as Defenders specifically to reduce the tread wear rating from 70k to 50k miles to reduce the cost of liability (improve profit) for the light truck tires. The Defender passenger tires still carry the 70k mile rating. I think the Defender's have the same tread, same material, same design (which would be good) they just changed the name on the sidewall and discontinue white raised letters.

Just a theory,

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These Michelin Defender LT265/70/R17E tires mentioned above are the stock size than came on my 2012 Ram 2500HD Cummins. The Michelin LT225/75R16/E LTX M/S2 tires are on the Classic.
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There's a whole lotta "wishin' and hopin' goin' on with folks "feelin' and even some Costco employee offering their opinion on which passenger tires are best for trailers.
It might be a good idea to read what the mfr's of the tires have to say about it.
http://www.carlstargroup.com/cms_fil..._Practices.pdf
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