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09-27-2016, 10:36 AM
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#81
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We purchased a set of Michelin Defender LTX M/S 235-75R-15 109T tires for our 2017 25FB International yesterday.
The guys at America's Tire were very thorough. They replaced the rubber stems with metal stems for my TPMS sensors. I asked them to replace all of the factory nuts with decorative skins for solid plated steel nuts for more dependable future removal.
This is my second set of Michelin LTX M/S 235-75R-15 tires on an Airstream. The last were LTX M/S2 235-75R-15 108Ts on my 2014 23D.
The ride is better, stopping is more effective and I can go 65mph with confidence.
I replaced the oem Firestone Transforce ATs on my 2016 RAM 2500 with Michelin Defender LTs after just 10K miles.....worn to the wear indicators. I've run Michelins on our RVs and trailers for the past 15 years. Never a failure.
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09-27-2016, 10:54 AM
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#82
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1994 30' Excella
alexandria
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Quote:
Originally Posted by interstateflyer
I replaced the oem Firestone Transforce ATs on my 2016 RAM 2500 with Michelin Defender LTs after just 10K miles.....worn to the wear indicators. I've run Michelins on our RVs and trailers for the past 15 years. Never a failure.
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I'm surprised by the wear on the Transforce AT tires. I put a set on my truck (2009 Dodge CTD) last year which have about 8k miles on them presently and they still look brand new. I drive on pavement, gravel and off road.
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1994 Classic 30'11" Excella - rear twin
2009 Dodge 2500, 6 Speed Auto, CTD, Quad Cab, Short Bed
Hensley Arrow hitch with adjustable stinger
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09-27-2016, 11:10 AM
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#83
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Rivet Master
2017 25' International
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Quote:
Originally Posted by crispyboy
I'm surprised by the wear on the Transforce AT tires. I put a set on my truck (2009 Dodge CTD) last year which have about 8k miles on them presently and they still look brand new. I drive on pavement, gravel and off road.
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The rears wore badly. I'm much happier with the Michelins.
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09-27-2016, 11:58 AM
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#84
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1988 25' Excella
1987 32' Excella
Knoxville
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"If Michelin stamps 2,100 lbs load capacity on a tire at 50 psi you can safely load that tire to that capacity.
Safely, I would agree.
But at least in Tennessee, not legally. For P tires on a trailer the tire rating minus the 10% de-rating must exceed the tagged gross axle weight to be legal.
I think the new Defenders are a R tire, in which the derating requirement for trailers still applies.
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09-27-2016, 05:56 PM
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#85
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Rivet Master
2008 22' Safari
Spicewood (W of Austin)
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I live in an old hunting lodge with 70-year-old toilets which use far more than 1.6 l of well-water to flush, and my truck is a flex-fuel engine but I can get non-ethanol gas out here in the country, so I can run go-cart tires on my travel-trailer with impunity, thanks to the edumacation I've just rec'd here.
What seems like long-discussions ad nauseum on this subject are likely a very small sampling of whiners compared to the millions of trailer-owners who quite successfully and without trouble running the OEM ST tires on their trailers.
(There are legitimate reasons ST tires are used on trailers and I let the industry engineers have the credit for why I use them.)
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09-27-2016, 08:16 PM
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#86
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4 Rivet Member
2014 27' Flying Cloud
Stowe
, Vermont
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I would appreciate hearing any comments from people who have switched to Maxxis M8008
ST Radial. Over the past 10 years, I have run GYM on 2 different AS (25 & 27), putting on around 100,000 miles (3 sets of tires in that time). I always check PSI before traveling. I have had no problems until yesterday on I-93 - 65mph - blow-out and total shredding. Tough to believe this can happen with GYM that's only 3 years old. Comments???
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09-27-2016, 08:26 PM
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Rivet Master
2022 25' Flying Cloud
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2012 25' FB Flying Cloud
Golden
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You have been remarkably lucky.
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09-27-2016, 08:41 PM
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#88
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2017 25' International
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Los Osos
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VT Wanderer
I would appreciate hearing any comments from people who have switched to Maxxis M8008
ST Radial. Over the past 10 years, I have run GYM on 2 different AS (25 & 27), putting on around 100,000 miles (3 sets of tires in that time). I always check PSI before traveling. I have had no problems until yesterday on I-93 - 65mph - blow-out and total shredding. Tough to believe this can happen with GYM that's only 3 years old. Comments???
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I understand the current GYMs are made in China and that some people attribute that to recent failures.
I also wonder if the drivers who tow the larger Airstreams from Ohio are traveling faster than 65mph. 65mph for sustained periods is apparently bad for the GYMs.
https://www.tirerack.com/images/tire...plications.pdf.
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09-28-2016, 08:24 AM
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2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
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VT Wanderer, would you mind checking the DOT date of manufacture as stamped on your blown tire per this page?
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete...160811155954:s
It would be nice to know the exact week/year of mfg.. We have a 2014 FC20, and our GYM date of mfg. was actually mid-2013, which is over 3 years old at this point. At this age, a tire is said to have lost 30% of its strength.
There have been other GYM failures recently, as linked at the bottom.
Thanks,
Peter
PS -- Other GYM failures recently:
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f516...rs-127845.html [Post #1225]
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f44/...ut-155074.html
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f438...es-155076.html
Quote:
Originally Posted by VT Wanderer
I would appreciate hearing any comments from people who have switched to Maxxis M8008
ST Radial. Over the past 10 years, I have run GYM on 2 different AS (25 & 27), putting on around 100,000 miles (3 sets of tires in that time). I always check PSI before traveling. I have had no problems until yesterday on I-93 - 65mph - blow-out and total shredding. Tough to believe this can happen with GYM that's only 3 years old. Comments???
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10-06-2016, 09:44 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2004 30' Classic
San Antonio
, Texas
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I am amazed at the amount of posting that goes on concerning tires for a trailer. An LT tire is not construct the same as a tire constructed for a trailer. The side walls flex differently and if memory serves me correctly the load bearing of the tire is different. I believe that the problem with trailer tires especially GY Marathon is the max 65 mph that it can run at and no more. Most drivers exceed that max speed rating or overload the trailer and the result is a blowout. Please don't take my word for it. Do your own research and don't waste your money. Just learn to drive under 65. It's that simple plus you will get better gas mileage.
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10-07-2016, 04:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by crispyboy
I'm surprised by the wear on the Transforce AT tires. I put a set on my truck (2009 Dodge CTD) last year which have about 8k miles on them presently and they still look brand new. I drive on pavement, gravel and off road.
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Just replaced mine at 40000 miles. They were worn out and dangerous.and almost six years old. Pretty well satisfied but replaced with Michelin defenders per my wife. I rotate religiously.
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10-08-2016, 07:54 PM
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2012 30' Flying Cloud
San Antonio
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbieri
I am amazed at the amount of posting that goes on concerning tires for a trailer. An LT tire is not construct the same as a tire constructed for a trailer. The side walls flex differently and if memory serves me correctly the load bearing of the tire is different. I believe that the problem with trailer tires especially GY Marathon is the max 65 mph that it can run at and no more. Most drivers exceed that max speed rating or overload the trailer and the result is a blowout. Please don't take my word for it. Do your own research and don't waste your money. Just learn to drive under 65. It's that simple plus you will get better gas mileage.
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Right on Barbieri. I believe in good quality ST tires, but many have spent the money to go LT and are very happy. You can, as long as the manufacturer has posted the data, run St tires to 75 mph by adding 10 psi above what is required for your trailer's weight. Look up Goodyear, Carlisle and Maxxis , as three examples.
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10-08-2016, 08:51 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2004 30' Classic
San Antonio
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I looked and could not find the data you referenced. Why would they put on the sidewall one set of data and another data set on the internet. I run Carlisle tires and they can handle a heavier load per tire that any Michelin can. None of the LT Michelin tires can match the Carlisle RH tires.
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10-08-2016, 09:25 PM
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2017 25' International
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So guys......I've been on these forums since 2004 and have slogged through the ST vs. LT discussions for the past twelve years. I've run Michelin LTs on four Airstreams since then. Airstream offered them as options on my last two trailers and on my first Airstream, a 2004 Interstate. If they are good enough for the Airstream corporation, they are good enough for me. End of discussion....as far as I am concerned.
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10-09-2016, 06:20 AM
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2013 31' Classic
billings
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Quote:
Originally Posted by interstateflyer
So guys......I've been on these forums since 2004 and have slogged through the ST vs. LT discussions for the past twelve years. I've run Michelin LTs on four Airstreams since then. Airstream offered them as options on my last two trailers and on my first Airstream, a 2004 Interstate. If they are good enough for the Airstream corporation, they are good enough for me. End of discussion....as far as I am concerned.
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I for one agree 100 per cent with you, besides I like your power unit.
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10-09-2016, 08:12 AM
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2017 30' Classic
Anna Maria
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Howard L.
Right on Barbieri. I believe in good quality ST tires, but many have spent the money to go LT and are very happy. You can, as long as the manufacturer has posted the data, run St tires to 75 mph by adding 10 psi above what is required for your trailer's weight. Look up Goodyear, Carlisle and Maxxis , as three examples.
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Overwhelming evidence proves you wrong.
However if you prefer ST Tires don't let that stop you.
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10-09-2016, 02:39 PM
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2012 30' Flying Cloud
San Antonio
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbieri
I looked and could not find the data you referenced. Why would they put on the sidewall one set of data and another data set on the internet. I run Carlisle tires and they can handle a heavier load per tire that any Michelin can. None of the LT Michelin tires can match the Carlisle RH tires.
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http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=219
Here you go--for a couple tires. Maxxis lists their 8008s the same. I've talked to Maxxis and they say if you can add 20 psi safely, you can go 85. Have not found that one in writing. Their ST 225/15 E is a "Q" speed rated 99 mph tire (tested speed)
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10-09-2016, 03:04 PM
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2012 30' Flying Cloud
San Antonio
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Quote:
Originally Posted by franklyfrank
Overwhelming evidence proves you wrong.
However if you prefer ST Tires don't let that stop you.
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Frank, I'm aware that you and several others just can't stand the fact that everyone does not believe in your love of LT tires on trailers. You are quoting "overwhelming evidence" from the past since the problem ST tires were mostly from the mid 2000s. But hey, like I said above many owners like yourself love your 16 inch wheels and LT tires. More power to you.
I follow the overwhelming evidence of ST tires on MY trailer capable of carrying damn near 2 30 footers and run at highway speeds grater than most. Plus, silly me, I believe in the tire construction for the purpose intended. Sorry Frank, but your LT hoopla doesn't mean much to me.
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10-09-2016, 03:45 PM
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#100
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2022 25' Flying Cloud
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Golden
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Moderators it is time to close current tire threads and ban new ones.
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