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Old 08-25-2015, 09:29 AM   #15
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The fit question is interesting. After installing the new 15" wheels and tires on our 2008 23C (L-lounge with corner bed) there is 2" of clearance on the front an 1" of clearance on the back. From your avatar, it seems to be the same body as yours. Perhaps the newer 23' models or the FB has different size wheel wells.
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Old 08-25-2015, 10:47 AM   #16
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'Forums user Switz has put 15" Sendel T03 wheels on a 23' trailer.
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Old 08-25-2015, 11:43 AM   #17
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We removed the stock 14" tires and wheels from our 2015 23D at the dealership. I had purchased the SenDel 15" five lug wheels and Michelin LTX (P) 235/75R15 XL tires from a local Mesa, AZ Discount tire along with a Dill TPMS 1506-453 system (I have this in the Classic as well). The 15" tires and wheels were mounted along with the Centramatic wheel balancers model 200-221 for the five bolt lug nut pattern on 15" wheels. They were attached with McGard 24138 Chrome Cone Seat Wheel Locks and McGard 64010 Chrome Bulge Cone Seat Style Lug Nuts I purchased on Amazon.

Just like on the 25FB, the 23D has the tires inflated to 44 psi.

We found that the curb side wheel opening was about three inches shorted than the street side, so we trimmed the front edge to the same distance from the plastic wheel well as on the street side. There is about " clearance between the front wheels and the opening. Since the Airstream suspension is trailing arm, any bumps force the wheels up and back. We did have to modify the spare support brackets for the fatter 15" spare to work.
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Hmmm .... the 23D has different size wheel openings. There were three different bodies for the 23' (before they discontinued the 23C, which has the forward door but located farther back than the 23D), so maybe the wheel wells are different on each of the three. On my 23C the wheel wells are the same size, and the wheels/tires fit comfortably with no modification.
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Old 08-25-2015, 08:46 PM   #19
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We removed the stock 14" tires and wheels from our 2015 23D at the dealership. I had purchased the SenDel 15" five lug wheels and Michelin LTX (P) 235/75R15 XL tires from a local Mesa, AZ Discount tire along with a Dill TPMS 1506-453 system (I have this in the Classic as well). The 15" tires and wheels were mounted along with the Centramatic wheel balancers model 200-221 for the five bolt lug nut pattern on 15" wheels. They were attached with McGard 24138 Chrome Cone Seat Wheel Locks and McGard 64010 Chrome Bulge Cone Seat Style Lug Nuts I purchased on Amazon.

Just like on the 25FB, the 23D has the tires inflated to 44 psi.

We found that the curb side wheel opening was about three inches shorted than the street side, so we trimmed the front edge to the same distance from the plastic wheel well as on the street side. There is about " clearance between the front wheels and the opening. Since the Airstream suspension is trailing arm, any bumps force the wheels up and back. We did have to modify the spare support brackets for the fatter 15" spare to work.
Is that the McGard lug nuts that I will need for my Sendel T03 16" wheels and Firestone TransForce HT LT225/75R16 tires?
I need to order the TPMS, too.
Do I really need the Centramatics?
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If you start with original equipment 14" wheels, like on a 23', the 15" wheels that are often for sale won't work. The 14s have a 5 bolt pattern, the original equipment 15s have the 6 bolt pattern.
I wish, would have bought a set long ago.......

Sorry about that! I assumed the 25' and 23' would share the same axel and bolt pattern.


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Old 08-26-2015, 12:47 AM   #21
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Hard to believe, but those McGard nuts are the same for 14", 15" and 16" axles - 1/2" x 20 thread.

The Centramatics for the 16" wheels are the 300-356 all "A" plates. For 15" six bolt wheels they are the 200-221 Special. For the 15" five bolt wheels that fit the 14" hubs, they are the 200-221 regular. I would not hestitate for the $199 price to help balance the brake drums since in theory the wheels will be balanced.

I have the Centramatics on my Gold Wing motorcycles, the Dodge 2500HD truck and all the Airstreams. They work for me.
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Old 08-26-2015, 04:23 PM   #22
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We removed the stock 14" tires and wheels from our 2015 23D at the dealership. I had purchased the SenDel 15" five lug wheels and Michelin LTX (P) 235/75R15 XL tires from a local Mesa, AZ Discount tire along with a Dill TPMS 1506-453 system (I have this in the Classic as well). The 15" tires and wheels were mounted along with the Centramatic wheel balancers model 200-221 for the five bolt lug nut pattern on 15" wheels. They were attached with McGard 24138 Chrome Cone Seat Wheel Locks and McGard 64010 Chrome Bulge Cone Seat Style Lug Nuts I purchased on Amazon.

Just like on the 25FB, the 23D has the tires inflated to 44 psi.

We found that the curb side wheel opening was about three inches shorted than the street side, so we trimmed the front edge to the same distance from the plastic wheel well as on the street side. There is about " clearance between the front wheels and the opening. Since the Airstream suspension is trailing arm, any bumps force the wheels up and back. We did have to modify the spare support brackets for the fatter 15" spare to work.

What did you do with the 6th sensor?
Truck spare?


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Old 08-26-2015, 04:39 PM   #23
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We ordered the Dill TPMS with six sender/receivers so there is a battle spare of each. The spare tire receiver is left uninstalled in the display so it does not throw an error code. The SenDel wheels have the letter of the sender written inside of the rim. In the event of a tire issue, the spare tire would be installed and it's receiver chip swapped for the regular tire receiver.

The tire swap project cost was $1,781 at Discount Tire form the four SenDel and two steel wheels, five Michelin tires and installation and warranty and fees and the Dill TPMS. In addition was the $199 for the Centramatic wheel balancers and around $95 for the McGard lug nuts and some of their accessories. I used a U-Haul trailer to take all of these parts plus the Hensley hitch and other essential safety/emergency items to be able to bring the 23D to A&P Vintage Trailer Works in Paradise, TX.

The Airstream dealership, at an additional expense, helped with the tire installation as sheet metal work had to be done and also helped with the installation of the Hensley hitch and the Prodigy RK system.
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Old 08-26-2015, 04:57 PM   #24
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Hmm...
So far I'm in for $453.90 for 4 Sendel T03 16x6 6 hole wheels from ecustomhitch.com through Amazon- will arrive 9/3-9/9-
$599.20 for 4 Firestone TransForce HT LT225/75R16 tires from Southern Tire Mart with a discount from my work- will get them next week when the wheels come- they have plenty in stock-
$1053.10 for wheels and tires up till now-
I haven't yet ordered Centramatic balancers, but if I do, they will come from Centramatic- $199.00 + $14.95 shipping-
$1,265.05 for wheels, tires, and Centramatics
I haven't decided where I will get McGard lug nuts from, but I may get them from McGard- about $78 for (6) 4-packs-
$1,343.05 for wheels, tires, Centramatics, and lug nuts.
Dill TPMS 1504-453 system from $310 or Dill TPMS 1506-453 system for $425-
$1,653.05 for wheels, tires, Centramatics, lug nuts, and a 4 tire Dill TPMS or
$1,768.05 for wheels, tires, Centramatics, lug nuts, and a 6 tire Dill TPMS-
Hmm...
It appears the price is right in line.
My plan is to gather all the bits and pieces and mount and balance the tires myself in our shop and install them on the trailer at home.
I was waiting for my Goodyear Marathons to give me trouble before I started all this-
They gave me trouble-
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Both the 23D 14" GYM to 15" Michelin and the Classic 15" GYM to 16" Michelin conversions cost in the $2,000 class when all the accessories were added in.

The 23D is now at the same elevation as the 25FB was. That means if the Mercedes does not crunch the outfitted trailer's new weight numbers well, then the pickup is ready to go with the prior use Hensley stinger for the 25FB. Of course the truck is big time overkill for the 23D and we might need to get weaker bars for the truck towing.
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Old 08-27-2015, 10:22 AM   #26
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Didn't get McGard-
Got these off Amazon-
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Even if the chrome flakes off and they rust they will be better than the cheesy chrome covered ones on there now-
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Just like on the 25FB, the 23D has the tires inflated to 44 psi.
Important to note inflation pressure ...
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I am still undecided on TPMS and Centramatic balancers-
In many years and nearly 1,000,000 miles of towing trailers- car haulers, cargo trailers, horse trailers, and travel trailers- I have never been in a situation where I would find TPMS or Centramatic balancers particularly beneficial.
I have, however, been in situations where a good load range E 10-ply LT tire might save the day. I have had trailer tires come apart on me twice in 4 years. I haven't had a truck tire on a trailer come apart ever. I can't remember a truck tire on a truck coming apart ever.
May wait on TPMS and Centramatic balancers for now.
Got new wheels, tires, lug nuts, and Trailer Aid ramp on the way.
All needs to be done by Labor Day camping weekend!
Currently, I have no spare. When new wheels and tires get here I'll have 4 spare tires and 24 spare lug nuts!
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