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Old 05-09-2005, 06:16 PM   #169
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Hey Peter Pan! Henry says I get my axle in about a week! Look at my new avatar.....
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Hey Peter Pan! Henry says I get my axle in about a week! Look at my new avatar.....
Good job!
Maybe you can do away with the low-rider look! I thought you should have done some hydraulics on it to make it bounce too!
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Good job!
Maybe you can do away with the low-rider look! I thought you should have done some hydraulics on it to make it bounce too!
Lou, with his axle, he doesn't NEED hydraulics to make it bounce.
Has anyone gotten axles for a tandem axle Airstream from Axis yet?
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Lou, with his axle, he doesn't NEED hydraulics to make it bounce.
Has anyone gotten axles for a tandem axle Airstream from Axis yet?

Not yet but we have every intention if we can pull it off with our scheduling - to pick up the 61 Overlander and tow it straight to Indiana from Vermont.

She has the old leaf spring suspension and we want to change her out to a torsion system - but for that Axis have to have her in the flesh to make sure the set up is perfect as their will be some fabricating to do.

I will be sure to ask Henry to document the process as I am sure many on this forum have considered it with their 60's and earlier rigs.

We are doing a Hybrid on this one - so we are brain storming right now on ideas - but we do know she will be a little heavier - so we can get the running gear lined up for her new needs. We are leaning toward the Nautical interior - shapes and conveniences as well as the ambiance of the "real yachts".

This time around Peter has liberties to do what he wants - with the Globe Trotter she was kept original - just a bit of a face lift and a few minor repairs here and there - still have a bit to go before she is top notch.
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Not yet but we have every intention if we can pull it off with our scheduling - to pick up the 61 Overlander and tow it straight to Indiana from Vermont.

She has the old leaf spring suspension and we want to change her out to a torsion system - but for that Axis have to have her in the flesh to make sure the set up is perfect as their will be some fabricating to do.

I will be sure to ask Henry to document the process as I am sure many on this forum have considered it with their 60's and earlier rigs.

We are doing a Hybrid on this one - so we are brain storming right now on ideas - but we do know she will be a little heavier - so we can get the running gear lined up for her new needs. We are leaning toward the Nautical interior - shapes and conveniences as well as the ambiance of the "real yachts".

This time around Peter has liberties to do what he wants - with the Globe Trotter she was kept original - just a bit of a face lift and a few minor repairs here and there - still have a bit to go before she is top notch.
I keep looking for the Molson Ice but none has arrived!
When are you guys planning on heading to Axis? I have room for you should you need to stay a night before heading back! I have bed and breakfast for the two of you in exchenge for the Molson Ice!
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Lou, with his axle, he doesn't NEED hydraulics to make it bounce.
Has anyone gotten axles for a tandem axle Airstream from Axis yet?
Terry,
Henry is quoting several tandem axle jobs right now.
Axis products makes them in all kinds of configurations. I don't think he is going to have a problem with them. As a matter of fact, I would bet money that it will be easier for him to do the tandems considering it is two axles. Axis produces A LOT of axles. I saw the facility and it is AWESOME what they do!
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Henry is quoting several tandem axle jobs right now.
Axis products makes them in all kinds of configurations. I don't think he is going to have a problem with them. As a matter of fact, I would bet money that it will be easier for him to do the tandems considering it is two axles. Axis produces A LOT of axles. I saw the facility and it is AWESOME what they do!
My brother-in-law is going to have Henry do the tandems on his 1973 31 footer when he returns from his Memorial Day jaunt.
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Lou, with his axle, he doesn't NEED hydraulics to make it bounce.
Has anyone gotten axles for a tandem axle Airstream from Axis yet?
Terry,



Lou is right. Tandems are not a problem.

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Henry and I spoke this morning and I firmed up exactly what I was going to order. Here is what I have ordered for a 1976 31' centerbath.
2)3700# torsion axle with camber, E coated
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Axis Products and Henry have been a real joy to work with and I would gladly suggest anyone who is thinking about replacing their axles give them the chance to quote you a price on your project.

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I keep looking for the Molson Ice but none has arrived!
When are you guys planning on heading to Axis? I have room for you should you need to stay a night before heading back! I have bed and breakfast for the two of you in exchenge for the Molson Ice!
Well - we wish we could come today! - But there are a few variables.

#1 Cash to pick up the trailer and pay for new wheels/tires and 3 axles - all coming very soon from the "Tax Man".
#2 need to arrange a good time to pick up the OLE' 61 with the present owners - they are kind enought to re-pack the bearings for us and work on changing out the wheels and tires.
#3 Timing for Peter's work

So when all three are confirmed then we will be on our way. As said earlier we are trying to do the loop instead of ON to VT back to ON then to IN - we want to do ON to VT to IN to ON - then another trip once the axles are ready to pick up everything up.

So we are looking a June more than likely or the earliest May long weekend.
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What is the opinion on switching to disk brakes from the electric brakes? Pros and cons from anyone?

As we are putting new axles on the OLE' 61 I guess we have some choices available to us. So we are just looking for some background on the Disc Brakes and why people are choosing them?

Thanks for any info.
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What is the opinion on switching to disk brakes from the electric brakes? Pros and cons from anyone?

As we are putting new axles on the OLE' 61 I guess we have some choices available to us. So we are just looking for some background on the Disc Brakes and why people are choosing them?
Let me start by saying I do not have a trailer with them, but I almost did. I wish I had bought it but it was back before the actibrake.

I see some big advantages.

1. Stopping power. Disc brakes offer a much improved capability to stop your rig when applied. In normal driving this may not be too much of an issue, but in a panic situation it could be the difference between a close call and a disaster. Of course the tires staying adhered to the road is a requirement, but as long as you do not lock them up, you will have shorter stopping distances.

2. Ease of maintenance. You have to remove your drum to check the wear on the shoes with traditional brakes. This means disturbing the bearings, and possibly the seal. On the Disc brakes you take off the wheel and check them. If you need to do pads, 2 pins and you can drop them in. There are even wear indicators just like on your car's brakes. And just like you cars brakes you can get parts at the local NAPA, vs having to go to a trailer supply store.

3. Fewer parts to maintain. A sealed caliper, and 2 brake pads, and a couple of pins. Compared to a drum brake with the springs, and adjusters, and magnets, less to go wrong. Also the Disc will be a better balanced rotating mass than the drum due to the fact the the cast piece is fully machined to a base spec. A drum is only machined on the inside, it can be out of balance and you may or may not be able to adjust for it.

4. If it was not a better braking system would the auto industry have moved to it over drum? I don't think so. The more expensive a car the higher likelihood that it will have 4 wheel Disc. Also If it was not a good system would the military Spec it out for their trailers. Of course they go with the stainless steel everything. Yes you can get stainless steel rotors, etc. They are made for the marine market.

5. If you are going to go to new axles, the upgrade to the Disc style is not the expensive. The controller costs a bit, but the wheel system is a minor upgrade as I understand it.
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Let me start by saying I do not have a trailer with them, but I almost did. I wish I had bought it but it was back before the actibrake.

I see some big advantages.

1. Stopping power. Disc brakes offer a much improved capability to stop your rig when applied. In normal driving this may not be too much of an issue, but in a panic situation it could be the difference between a close call and a disaster. Of course the tires staying adhered to the road is a requirement, but as long as you do not lock them up, you will have shorter stopping distances.

2. Ease of maintenance. You have to remove your drum to check the wear on the shoes with traditional brakes. This means disturbing the bearings, and possibly the seal. On the Disc brakes you take off the wheel and check them. If you need to do pads, 2 pins and you can drop them in. There are even wear indicators just like on your car's brakes. And just like you cars brakes you can get parts at the local NAPA, vs having to go to a trailer supply store.

3. Fewer parts to maintain. A sealed caliper, and 2 brake pads, and a couple of pins. Compared to a drum brake with the springs, and adjusters, and magnets, less to go wrong. Also the Disc will be a better balanced rotating mass than the drum due to the fact the the cast piece is fully machined to a base spec. A drum is only machined on the inside, it can be out of balance and you may or may not be able to adjust for it.

4. If it was not a better braking system would the auto industry have moved to it over drum? I don't think so. The more expensive a car the higher likelihood that it will have 4 wheel Disc. Also If it was not a good system would the military Spec it out for their trailers. Of course they go with the stainless steel everything. Yes you can get stainless steel rotors, etc. They are made for the marine market.

5. If you are going to go to new axles, the upgrade to the Disc style is not the expensive. The controller costs a bit, but the wheel system is a minor upgrade as I understand it.
I could not have said it better!



I have one simple addition:



I am familiar with the Actibrake electric/hydraulic unit and Kodiak disc brakes. Honestly I would have to say that it has performed with great success on a delivery trailer used everyday. We replaced electric brakes 3-4 times a year, if that helps you understand the miles that this trailer sees. Once converted to Actibrake + disc brakes the trailer has needed repair only once in 1 1/2 years. The Actibrake was the problem, it was sent out, repaired for free and returned, it took about 3 days to get it back.
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I could not have said it better!

I have one simple addition:

I am familiar with the Actibrake electric/hydraulic unit and Kodiak disc brakes. Honestly I would have to say that it has performed with great success on a delivery trailer used everyday. We replaced electric brakes 3-4 times a year, if that helps you understand the miles that this trailer sees. Once converted to Actibrake + disc brakes the trailer has needed repair only once in 1 1/2 years. The Actibrake was the problem, it was sent out, repaired for free and returned, it took about 3 days to get it back.
I know there are a lot of single axle Airstream and Argosy owners on here.
Some of them may be considering ordering their axle with disc brakes.

A couple of questions for the Axleman:
1. When would you consider using disc brakes on a smaller Airstream or Argosy?

2. What is needed to be housed in the trailer if you go with disc brakes?

3. What is the anatomy of a disc brake system?

4. Weight is an issue with the smaller Airstreams and Argosys. Do you need to add more weight to the trailer?

5. If you have to add equipment, how big is that equipment? Where would it go in the trailer?

6. Is there any additional wiring that would be needed?

7. What is involved in converting a drum brake system to a disc brake system?

Thanks for all of your wisdom!
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