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Old 02-01-2009, 08:49 AM   #1
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Rubber rods from Axis

I called Axis and they will sell the rubber rods. I am going to try to rebuild my axles. Adios, John
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Old 02-02-2009, 02:11 PM   #2
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I say to each their own, and always encourage others to roll up their sleeves and pick up the wrench so to speak. If the intent is to save money it may not be all that advantageous, plus there are other underlying concerns I would take into consideration before proceeding. If you have not read this thread, I would encourage you to do so before jumping in.
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f437...ild-46697.html


By all means if you proceed please photo document your steps and keep us posted.

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Old 02-02-2009, 02:54 PM   #3
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I called Axis and they will sell the rubber rods. I am going to try to rebuild my axles. Adios, John
The correct rod diameter must be used, along with the proper composition, so that the softness of the rubber is correct.

The rubber rod length must be correct for a given load rating.

The rods must be deformed in a hydraulic press, and then frozen with liquid nitrogen, to a temperature of about -280 degree F.

Then the rods must be very quickly inserted in the axle tube, along with the axle shaft.

I am not aware of anyone that has equipment for freezing capabilites, to the degree needed, other than a torsion axle manufacturer.

Keep in mind, that the axle shaft is held in place by the rubber rods, only, which requires that the fit must be extremely tight.

But, good luck with your experiment.

Please keep this Forums posted, as to your results.

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Old 02-02-2009, 03:39 PM   #4
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If you have not read this thread, I would encourage you to do so before jumping in.
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f437...ild-46697.html

This thread is what gave me the idea. I called Axis and they will sell me the rubber cord. I have already rebuilt the braking system so that cost is done. Shipping axles is costly. My axles are already sagging so if I can't rebuild them I will be out the cost of the rubber cord. My plan is to build a fixture to press with, dissassemble one axle and send one of the cords to axis to duplicate times eight. If on disassembly I don't think I can reinstall the new cords I will stop.
If I were trying to rebuild the cabinets I would not try. A carpenter I ain't!
For me a little sanding and linseed oil is as good as gets. I am however a bit of a metal worker by trade, so I figure what the heck. Worst case I'm out a bit of my "free" labor.
As far as rust, my Airstream appears to be a desert unit, dry as I've noted before as a popcorn fart. Small to no, surface rust here and there. No water damage anywhere except for about 2 inches around the toilet flange. I suspect the insides of the axle tubes to be sound, if not I will abandon the project.
I will report progress good or bad. And not being very tech savvy will attempt pics. Adios, John
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The thread that you have in your post is about a guy that lived in SW Michigan that drove his axles to the Axis plant. They took his axles and removed the old rubber rods and reinstalled the new rods with the machinery that they have at the plant.

Not to discourage you, however Kingman is a long way from Indiana. And Indiana is where the equipment is. Rust or no rust on the axle housing doesn't really make a difference. It is pulling out the rubber (that used to be under extreme pressure) and reinstalling new rubber cord under pressure. The force used has to be enough to support the weight of the trailer and then some. I would guess 5000 pound force.

If you have the equipment to do this, on my way to Vegas I will be bring over two more axles.

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If you have the equipment to do this, on my way to Vegas I will be bring over two more axles.

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Thus the comment about shipping, I am sure it is to costly to ship the axles . I currently own two busticated axles, the worst I can do is bust them more.
I have frequaintly failed attempting the impossible. I have succeded just enough to keep me trying.
If it works myhaps we will work a deal. I currently labor at a proving ground in beautifull downtown Wittmann.
Adios, john
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Hey Wittmann is way closer! I could drive there any day of the week and I would not go to the gaming capital of the world. The circle track is likely the Pentastar Place.

However, IMHO unless you have some serious equipment there we are thinking in circles.

Good Luck! And do let us know what you find.

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John--
I say GO FOR IT! I have always been one for innovation and the "how on earth am I gonna do that" spirit. Besides, how did they ever make peanut butter cookies before the fork was invented? I don't think it will be impossible, but may not be practical on the individual basis. I am expecting to hear of your success, so keep us informed.
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Besides, how did they ever make peanut butter cookies before the fork was invented?
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Bad example.
Peanut Butter cookies were recalled for poisoning deaths.

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Not before the fork was invented!
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At the very least I'm getting a good laugh. Thanks, John
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Not before the fork was invented!
I think forks were invented before peanut butter cookies.
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If you have a peanut butter cookie from before the fork was invented you have a different problem! With the same result.

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Well................. After much pondering and soul searching( I have been examining a new axle) I have come to the sad conclusion that the axle rebuild is not feasable. And after reading every thing I can find here about axles I have ordered new ,bare, axles from Andy. A Dexter dealer that I talked with here in Phoenix gave me a guesstimate of about $500 per axle, no shipping costs. Andy is $1195 delivered to Phoenix. I have about 2k miles on the brakes, so did not need new. One of the reasons I wanted the old axles rebuilt is the original starting angle. Somewhere in a old thread Andy said the correct angle for an Airstream of my vintage was around 22 degree's. Per a recent comment by Andy all their new axles start at 37 or 35 degree's. This will raise the trailer ride hieght which I did not want to do. I think one of the reasons the old trailers track so well is the low center of gravity. I will post the actual axle swap on my thread "1967 Tradewind travel traivels." Hopefully complete with pictures, Helen is learning to use her new camera. Adios, John
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