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Old 03-26-2009, 11:48 AM   #15
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Hey John,

Thanks for the update. Keep us posted on the install.

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Old 03-26-2009, 01:29 PM   #16
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I called Axis and they will sell me the rubber cord.
I am really surprised that Axis would offer to sell you the rubber unless you were just talking to a "Salesman" who had no idea of what day it was.

Besides needed liquid Nitrogen you need the press, like a candle mold, that presses the round rubber rods into triangles. It then take about 15 seconds with the press dipped into the nitrogen to freeze the rods into the triangle shape. Once frozen you have about 10 seconds to grab, with gloves on, 4 rubbers place them around the square shaft and slide the combination into the axle tube. This is a one shot deal you miss you lose.

As far as rebuilding axles it is a very easy thing if you have the press and the nitrogen and will become a cost effective method of replacing worn axles as the greater public becomes aware of it. The limiting factor will be the 2 way transportation of the axles.

I could see several regional shops popping to do this as it is clearly something that can not be outsourced to China. In fact it is something that could be done with that axles on the trailer.

The limiting factor would be maintaining a bath of liquid nitrogen.
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I am really surprised that Axis would offer to sell you the rubber unless you were just talking to a "Salesman" who had no idea of what day it was.

Besides needed liquid Nitrogen you need the press, like a candle mold, that presses the round rubber rods into triangles. It then take about 15 seconds with the press dipped into the nitrogen to freeze the rods into the triangle shape. Once frozen you have about 10 seconds to grab, with gloves on, 4 rubbers place them around the square shaft and slide the combination into the axle tube. This is a one shot deal you miss you lose.

As far as rebuilding axles it is a very easy thing if you have the press and the nitrogen and will become a cost effective method of replacing worn axles as the greater public becomes aware of it. The limiting factor will be the 2 way transportation of the axles.

I could see several regional shops popping to do this as it is clearly something that can not be outsourced to China. In fact it is something that could be done with that axles on the trailer.

The limiting factor would be maintaining a bath of liquid nitrogen.
Henschen, way back then, had a "rebuilding program."

They quit it several years ago, and with far more than just a "good reason."

Unfortunately, many axle tubes were substancially rusted on the interior, as well as the exterior.

That made the rebuild, very libelous, since obviously, the strength of the square tube has been compromised.

That, in itself, may be a stumbling block for someone that may want to get into the "torsion axle" rebuild business.

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That made the rebuild, very libelous, since obviously, the strength of the square tube . . .

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Now thats so funny I'm libel to die laughing!
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The axles on my trailer were shot when the trailer was 3 years old. Now that may have had something to do with the fact that the trailer sat in Fl. for those 3 years and never moved.

Given such conditions deterioration of the axle tubes would not have been a question and rebuild would have been a very favorable option.

Any potential rebuilder would most likely have an evaluation test to determine the usability of axles coming in for rebuild just as an engine or transmission rebuilder would have. The fact that some axles might not pass a rebuild test is no reason to discount the idea as a viable one.
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Now thats so funny I'm libel to die laughing!
Henschens corporate attorneys didn't think it was funny at all.

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Any potential rebuilder would most likely have an evaluation test to determine the usability of axles coming in for rebuild just as an engine or transmission rebuilder would have. The fact that some axles might not pass a rebuild test is no reason to discount the idea as a viable one.
The question becomes, if the axle tube is determined to be history, will the customer pay for the labor that it took to get that information.

Most people, I would think, would say either "no" or your just saying it's bad, when it may not be.

Way, way to much trouble for a large corporation to get involved with.

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Rubber rods

I wonder how Axis knew what diameter the rubber rods were used, since different axles use different diameters.

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I was going to send a sample. Adios, John
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That made the rebuild, very libelous, since obviously, the strength of the square tube has been compromised.Andy
Technically, the original axle would need to state to a third party that the rebuilt axle was of substandard character, in writing, for it to be libelous.

Otherwise it would be simple slander.
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All this and not one comment about trailer sway induced by the center of gravity being raised with new 37 degree axles. Hhhmmmmmm... Adios, John
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All this and not one comment about trailer sway induced by the center of gravity being raised with new 37 degree axles. Hhhmmmmmm... Adios, John
We supply replacement axles with a 35 degree starting angle.

No one yet, in several years has noticed or found any change in handling be cause of the increase in height.

Those that have taken the time to make a post, have all, without exception, stated that the overall handling improved.

It is also wise to travel with a full water tank, which helps the location of the center of gravity.

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Technically, the original axle would need to state to a third party that the rebuilt axle was of substandard character, in writing, for it to be libelous.

Otherwise it would be simple slander.
I think you got it right.

If the axle Speaks, it's Slander.

If the axle Writes, it's Libel.

If the axle falls apart, it's had either a mental or physical breakdown. Hard to tell from where I am, tho.

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