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Old 06-01-2005, 08:33 PM   #29
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Thank you, Lou for working so hard and finding new vendors for this hobby or obsession of ours, and thank you Henry for having such reasonable prices. Some of you have noticed and commented on my signature. We are leaving June 18 for a trip to Florida to pick up a 1954 Double Door 30' Liner which is in need of a complete restoration. In preparing for the trip, I have discovered that the brakes appear to be the original 1954 style and as a result are not compatable with the currently availalbe brakes. Instead of trying to locate new drums, to fit the current brakes, and getting bearings to match the 1954 spindles and new drums, I have decided to replace both axles and the springs with new. Since I plan on installing Disc Brakes in connection with the renovation, I have decided to go with brakes on only one axle. Before you yell at me, remember that the dry weight of this trailer is only 4050 lbs and since most of the interior is gone and there are no propane tanks, I estimate the weight to be about 3000 lbs. Brakes on one axle should be fine.

I have ordered two axles, four springs, mounting hardware, galvanized coating, and SafeTLube spindles for a complete price of $402 plus shipping to Florida. We will mount the new running gear on the trailer there and have an uneventful trip back knowing that the running gear is new and safe.

During the next year, the real work on the trailer will be done. The goal is to have a functioning trailer, rear bedroom, center bath, kitchen and hopefully living area, by next June in order to attend the WBCCI International in Salem, OR.

Please wish us luck.

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Old 06-01-2005, 08:46 PM   #30
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My Holiday Rambler had Dexter EZ Lube axles on it, seemed to work just fine.

I think Bearing Buddies are what you don't want but now come to think of it, I have them on my dual axle boat trailer, brakes on them axles too. :shrug: Who knows, Egor get me more brains....
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Old 06-01-2005, 09:18 PM   #31
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This thread has gone south again! I can't believe it.
lou i believe you know why this thread went south. the forum staff is getting a little tired of having to moderate every single thread that has your name on it.

wonder why? it is because you cannot have a civil discussion about any topic!

all we are trying to do is have a discussion about the merits of different methods of lubing axles and the grease seals that go into them. you however, seem to have the cheapest is best theory of life. thats fine for you, but for the rest of us that believe you get what you pay for, GIVE IT A REST!

i too can find $1.69 seals for my trailer, however, i prefer hand lubing my hubs and using chicago rawhide double lip seals that cost $9 each. thats my experiance and my money. if members choose to have a different view than yours that is just what it is. just a different view, not a personal attack.

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Old 06-03-2005, 07:38 AM   #32
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My Holiday Rambler had Dexter EZ Lube axles on it, seemed to work just fine.

I think Bearing Buddies are what you don't want but now come to think of it, I have them on my dual axle boat trailer, brakes on them axles too. :shrug: Who knows, Egor get me more brains....
I have never had the bearing buddy on a trailer. I had thought about putting them on the boat trailer but I just repack them anyway. My cousin uses the bearing buddy on his boat trailer. He doesn't use his trailer much as the boat sits in the canal behind his house. He has never complained about them but I have never wanted to clean out all of the grease when I went to repack them.
I went with the Safe-T-Lube spindle because, if all else fails, I will just not use the feature. It is kind of nice to have it as an option though.
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Old 06-03-2005, 07:48 AM   #33
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lou i believe you know why this thread went south. the forum staff is getting a little tired of having to moderate every single thread that has your name on it.

wonder why? it is because you cannot have a civil discussion about any topic!

all we are trying to do is have a discussion about the merits of different methods of lubing axles and the grease seals that go into them. you however, seem to have the cheapest is best theory of life. thats fine for you, but for the rest of us that believe you get what you pay for, GIVE IT A REST!

i too can find $1.69 seals for my trailer, however, i prefer hand lubing my hubs and using chicago rawhide double lip seals that cost $9 each. thats my experiance and my money. if members choose to have a different view than yours that is just what it is. just a different view, not a personal attack.

chill!

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All I am trying to point out is that I would not want to pay more for the same exact product.
I do not like the word "cheap". I am not "cheap". If I were "cheap" I would not have spent a good sum of money and a LARGE amount of time restoring the Minuet.
Rawhide double-lips are worth right around $9 each. Rubber double-lips with the spring are right around $2 from a Dexter dealer. Rawhide costs more because you are getting something different. It also wears better and lasts longer. Hence the reason you pay more for it.
I was pointing out that a Dexter double-lip spring loaded grease seal is a Dexter double lip spring loaded grease seal.
All I am doing is researching the product and basing my comparision on the price vs. the quality. Would you go into a car dealer, have them give you a price for a car and then tell the salesman you would like to pay $1,000 more for it? Same principle here.
I am sorry if I have seemed to be "wound up" lately. I have had a good reason to be.
As for not being able to have a civil discussion with me, I must rebuke that notion. Ever read my Metro-Detroit Rally thread? The recent MI U.P. thread? These are just two examples.
Those are things that I feel encompass the spirit of the site. Going places and enjoying our trailers and the company of those who enjoy their trailers as well.
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Old 06-03-2005, 07:51 AM   #34
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If I remember correctly, you don't want to use bearing buddies on trailers that have brakes on them - it is very easy to over-lube them and send grease spinning/flying into the brake linings - and on brakes you want friction - not lubrication

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Old 06-03-2005, 07:53 AM   #35
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Thank you, Lou for working so hard and finding new vendors for this hobby or obsession of ours, and thank you Henry for having such reasonable prices.
Please wish us luck.

Bill
Thanks, Bill.
I know that mine had been my "obsession" for a couple of months this past spring! I almost lived out in it while I was working on it.
By the way, I still want your truck!
Good luck with your trip. Sounds like a really nice trailer.
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Old 06-03-2005, 07:54 AM   #36
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If I remember correctly, you don't want to use bearing buddies on trailers that have brakes on them - it is very easy to over-lube them and send grease spinning/flying into the brake linings - and on brakes you want friction - not lubrication

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Old 06-03-2005, 08:20 AM   #37
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Old 06-03-2005, 03:58 PM   #38
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Thumbs up Spindle Options!

The Safe-T-Lube spindle is an option on most axles manufactured these days. It is NOT the only possibility. Most axles manufactured will have some or all of the following upgrades when it comes to lubrication:



1- Straight Spindle (non Safe-T-Lube) - usually a “standard”

2- Safe-T-Lube - usually an option and can cost between $4-$20 per axle

3- Oil bath – usually an option and can cost between $20-$45 per axle

4- Nev-R-Lube – usually an option and can raise an axle cost by 30%



These choices exist to allow customers to get what they want. With the oil-bath system no grease is used, the hub is filled with oil for lubrication (talk about making a seal earn it’s keep). With the Nev-R-Lube system the bearings are sealed and NEVER require lubrication. I don’t think any of these systems are bad but I do think that they are options that the customer can select. Variety is the spice of life!



As for the Safe-T-Lube system being for boat trailers with no brakes only – I don’t agree. Grease plays a serious role here. It is very important to select “good” grease. You should look for the lowest possible bleed-out factor as well as high heat ranges to be safe. As far as seals it is my opinion that an air operated grease gun can force the best of seals to fail, hand pumping is the way to go if you do not hand pack your bearings. Additionally, opinions of what is the “right” system for your application will vary depending on whom you talk too. Any system with poor workmanship (even if it is the most expensive available) can and will fail if installed wrong.

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Henry,

Airstream recommends pulling the hubs every year or 10,000 miles. Your options appear to present the consumer with with multiple ways to avoid doing so.

Your axles are not Airstream factory equipment. Since you posted all that information in this forum, are you inferring that your brand of axles have longer service intervals than what Airstream's OEM axles need?

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No way man!

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Henry,

Airstream recommends pulling the hubs every year or 10,000 miles. Your options appear to present the consumer with with multiple ways to avoid doing so.

Your axles are not Airstream factory equipment. Since you posted all that information in this forum, are you inferring that your brand of axles have longer service intervals than what Airstream's OEM axles need?

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Jack,


These are options manufacturers have available. Please see post #18 in this thread – specifically “It does NOT allow you to bypass routine bearing inspections; they still need to be inspected at regular intervals.”



The information is posted to inform customers – not to sway them. I just returned from the Airstream Homecoming and must say that I am very impressed with the “Airstream Way”. I had a ball and met some excellent folks. I was also able to become very familiar with the Airstream axle and it is of my opinion that it is a “mighty fine” product.



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Old 06-03-2005, 04:21 PM   #41
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My bad.

But why would anyone want such a grease-laden mess at Airstream's recommended service intervals?

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My bad.

But why would anyone want such a grease-laden mess at Airstream's recommended service intervals?

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