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Old 03-23-2010, 01:55 PM   #29
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Here we go again and again and again and again.....
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Old 03-23-2010, 01:56 PM   #30
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I am saying that you appear to pick and chose what manufacturer's instructions to follow, based on whether or not it supports your already held beliefs.
Doesn't everyone?

for instance: On a given topic I might believe my research and experience over yours, Andy's or Frank's. No offense just an example.

My research/experience would say put the shocks back on. With a slightly bent mount. And then monitor the situation. check shocks more frequently just to be sure all was going well. I look forward to sesing how it turns out as I need axles on my '73.
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Old 03-23-2010, 02:26 PM   #31
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I am putting a pair on a 1973 too. Just placed the order yesterday. We will see how it goes.
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Old 03-23-2010, 02:48 PM   #32
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Thanks, Eric,

I was starting to think I was nuts, or was sold the wrong axle.

Although the perspective is different (and one is pink, sorry, camera on the fritz), the two photos below seem to represent the situation pretty well. The biggest issue is the difference in how the axles are constructed. The Hen's arm is about double the width, and there is more room between the arm and the hub. Also, look at the amount of axle tube between the mounting bracket and the arm on both. These are very significant differences. According to my measurements, moving the shock bracket on the arm from the most outside to the most inside wouldn't even allow for proper alignment.

The consensus seems to be that I can bend brackets or remove the shocks altogether. Since my cutting torch is sitting right next to my MIG welder at the Miller dealer, I think I might have to opt for removal. Or, just see what happens. I think a shock would get trashed long before anything else down there.

Maybe the answer is stepping up to a #11 axle, or going with Axis. Either way, hopefully this will prove helpful to the next person in line to do the swap.

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Hey Dumpster;
Sorry that I have not learned about your problem sooner. Give me the measurement for out of line discrepancy. I will make you a four large diameter spacers tapped on one side for a bolt to attach the spacer to the frame. The other side I will weld in a bolt Grade#8 in with threads on the end for the shock retaining nut. Give me the measurements for size of bolts and length o shock stud. Andy is telling you the truth they are special shocks. Thanks "boatdoc"
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This thread was started to help a forums member... Lets review.


There is no need for this to end up as just another dispute thread. Please keep your posts on topic and helpful.
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Old 03-23-2010, 03:11 PM   #34
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Usually bending, within reason, a shock bracket to accomodate the OEM shock, is OK.

Our experience is that the rubber grommets will take a little punishment, but they will still last as long as the life of the shock.

Where the trouble seems to be, is when an owner wants to use an after market shock, that doesn't fit correctly in the first place, and for that matter will not work in a horizontal position, since it's a vertical shock.

Airstream has used the horizontal shock since the late 1968 models.

Vertical shocks will not work correctly in a horizontal position. A simple hand to hand test, demonstrates that.

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Old 03-23-2010, 03:30 PM   #35
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Andy,

It sounds to me that you are taking a position 180 degrees out from your position on weight distribution. In weight distribution, you recommend lighter springer bars, which allow a more springy less shocking ride.

In this case you are recommending a device that is going to cause more jolt and shock from the trailer suspension.

A shock absorber is a very inappropriately named device. It is in fact a spring dampener. It introduces resistance to the springs motion.

The thing that actually absorbs shock in a suspension system is the spring itself. When you introduce a "shock absorber", it impedes the action of the spring and every new sudden vertical movement is going to be initially transfered with more force to the vehicle due to the resistance of the "shock absorber".

Call it what you may, A "shock absorber" increases the roughness of ride and decreases the actual vertical travel of the vehicle ( its intended purpose)

To put it simply a shock absorber decreases the vertical travel of a suspension system, but allows causes greater acceleration forces (shock) to be passed through the system.


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Hi Ken;
I believe there is a lot of confusion going on in reference to what role shock absorbers play. Roads are never perfectly flat and you know it. Have you ever observed a empty Toad being towed? The trailer wheels never stop bouncing. This should be your clue as to what shocks do. Rubber rods in a torsion axle are very springy, they bounce right back onto pavement after hitting a bump, thus increasing the force on the tire when it contacts the road on the rebound. Shock slows down the time of returning the tire onto pavement and thus making a smoother transition and not allowing the tire to go into reciprocal harmonic vibration. I know that you will tell me that the reason for a bounce in the empty Toad is because they run empty which is partially true. However the uneven pavement still is a factor even under load. Without the shock the tire itself takes the abuse instead of the shock, and that is how the tire gets hot and de-laminates. Most shocks have different size orifices for up or down travel pending weight of the vehicle. They usually travel faster up and slower on down stroke thus smoothing out the reciprocating vibrations from the road. I will make no more arguments in reference to shocks with anyone so please spare the effort. I have four shocks on my 26' Argosy and we never had anything falling off the table while towing even half cup of coffee. Thanks, "Boatdoc":brows :
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Popcorn? Heck, I just finished my tub watching the last "what tow vehicle" thread! Axles, shocks, tow vehicles... just wait until someone mentions a bike rack on the rear!

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Popcorn? Heck, I just finished my tub watching the last "what tow vehicle" thread! Axles, shocks, tow vehicles... just wait until someone mentions a bike rack on the rear!

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Okay...
I want to install a bike rack on the rear of my 34' Excella that has Axis axles, which I tow with my dually... Any opinions?
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Okay...I want to install a bike rack on the rear of my 34' Excella that has Axis axles, which I tow with my dually... Any opinions?
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Better Watch Out! Its my opinion that you will experience a Harmonic Divergence. . .
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Old 03-24-2010, 04:28 AM   #39
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Okay...
I want to install a bike rack on the rear of my 34' Excella that has Axis axles, which I tow with my dually... Any opinions?
Hi overlande63; and 47WeeWind; Sarcastic questions and comments are not what Forums were intended for. Who cares, just do it. "Boatdoc"
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I thought it was kind of funny. The Forums were intended for many things. A little levity now & then helps take the edge off.

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even though it has not happened yet, people sure get bent over these axles. Why is that? Is it because the cant in the main tube or is it that they just can't help themselves?
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Hi overlande63; and 47WeeWind; Sarcastic questions and comments are not what Forums were intended for. Who cares, just do it. "Boatdoc"
No, "Boatdoc", it's when people start posting "popcorn" comments, the thread is usually about a micron from being closed or deleted. Sometimes people need to step back and take a deep breath before that happens.
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