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Old 03-28-2011, 09:20 PM   #43
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The Army Of Lance does it again. Maybe we should change your name to Hercules. LOL.
I can`t wait for the pics when you get them in.
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Old 03-28-2011, 11:42 PM   #44
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Hey, Top, how far off were the holes?
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Just curious, why are new holes required? Weren't the original axles bolted on?
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Old 03-29-2011, 06:35 AM   #46
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Just curious, why are new holes required? Weren't the original axles bolted on?
They were, but the holes were in a different spot than the holes on more modern axles. The mounting hole position changed about the time the body style changed, circa 1969.
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Old 03-29-2011, 06:57 AM   #47
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When the sun comes up I'll take some pics and post them here for y'all to drool over!
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Getting the holes right

Well, the sun is up but it's hiding behind some clouds. I went to the local Ace hardware store, Heights Lumber and Supply and bought a new Makita 1/2" drill. The DeWalt cordless was just not cutting it.
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Here are the dimensions of the mounting holes from the old Henschen axle mounting brackets. All pairs of pics show forward position first, aft second.

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And the new Axis axle mounting brackets.

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So as you can see they are different. Not a big deal. Just have to drill a few new holes. Here are the pics of the new holes drilled.
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The new hole is the one on the right
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The new hole is on the left
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Here are the same new holes from the inboard view.
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The forward slot on the new Axis axle bracket works as it is. You only need to drill a new hole through the axle mounting plate. That was pretty easy, you just have to drill at the top of the slot so you can avoid the original hole completely. If you used the aft slot of the Axis bracket, I believe would give you a sloppy mounting hole. I chose to drill completely new holes for the aft mounting bolts. It was not easy to drill through three sheets of steel for the aft mounting hole, but I believe it is more secure.
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Two broken bits for four holes. One is a Vermont American. The other a Chinesium DeWalt. They sure don't make them like they used to.

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One in and shock absorber mounting

I got one axle installed before I broke the second bit of the day, minus the shock absorbers. I need to get some bolts and nuts for them.

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The new Axis axles do not have a mounting stud on the shock absorber plate like the original Henschen axle. This is a good thing. It makes installation and replacement much easier. The shock absorber plate on the new Axis axle is welded to the outboard edge of the trailing arm. It would have been better if they would have welded it on the inboard side. The original Henschen axle shock absorber bracket to bracket distance is 67 5/8".
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I'll just have to use a longer bolt with a few jam nuts to properly attach the shock to the axle. I purchased four new Gabriel shocks from an Airstream dealer even though I believe that torsion axles are "self damping" and are not really required. I believe the only reason they are still installed is the old "We've always done it that way!" I think it to be a leftover advertising point from when rubber torsion axles were first installed in '62. I've noticed that in some sales brochures from '62 they state "Shock absorbers on all axles!". You sure don't see any mention of shock absorbers in the 2011 Airstream sales brochures.
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Very interesting Lance. So the Axis axles aren`t direct bolt in replacements for the original Henchens. I guess somebody was right when he said that Axis was making two different designs, their`s and Henchens. My axles were direct bolt in replacements and had shock bolts welded onto the axle. So no fuss no muss just bolt in and attach the shocks. I did have to drill the holes in the frame as it was new and I had to weld on shock bolts to the new frame as well.
When I drilled the mount holes I started with smaller bits and kept working my way up to the right size. I didn`t break one bit. You might want to try that to save on bits.
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Very interesting Lance. So the Axis axles aren`t direct bolt in replacements for the original Henchens. I guess somebody was right when he said that Axis was making two different designs, their`s and Henchens. My axles were direct bolt in replacements and had shock bolts welded onto the axle. So no fuss no muss just bolt in and attach the shocks. I did have to drill the holes in the frame as it was new and I had to weld on shock bolts to the new frame as well.
When I drilled the mount holes I started with smaller bits and kept working my way up to the right size. I didn`t break one bit. You might want to try that to save on bits.
Thanks for the advice on drilling. The drill bit breaking is my own fault. I know that now. That 1/2" drill is stout. When it catches, it spins right out of your hands. I let it get away from me. Oh well
Yes the bracket difference between a standard Axis axle and an Axis axle from Inland. Well what can I say. Oh right here's what I say, "Read post #1 again" money talks!
Inland-$1,919
CHTR-$1,110
Difference=$809
So I thought of this $809 difference as I bought another drill bit for $15 today and I smiled.

The $809 is enough to buy 53 more drill bits.
The $809 is enough to buy a new axle for my '62 GT "Lorelei"
The $809 is enough to buy four new 16" Alcoa rims.
The $809 is enough to buy four Michelin LTX M/S2 and have $225 in change.

So after I have them installed and my new drill is put away for the summer, I'm rolling down the road smooth as silk with four new Michelin tires, the last thing on my mind will be the eight new holes I drilled in Abby's axle mounting plate.
Prosit!

P.S. The yellow sheet from Axis shows what CHTR pays for an axle. Colin is not selling them for cost.
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Old 03-29-2011, 09:33 PM   #54
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Hey TOP,
Make sure you use the side handle on that 1/2 horse drill.
Are you using stainless bolts? Are they as strong as the hardened (grade 8 ?) steel?
Where is the GT? you're going to love it- who says bigger is better?
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Make sure you use the side handle on that 1/2 horse drill.
Are you using stainless bolts? Are they as strong as the hardened (grade 8 ?) steel?
Where is the GT? you're going to love it- who says bigger is better?
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Hey Tim,
I have the handle installed. It works well. Guess I forgot to attach this pic.
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I'm using the zinc coated grade 5 bolts that are included with the axle. I think grade 8 is a little overkill.
The GT is in MN at my Mom and Dad's house. I know we'll love her.
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Thanks for the advice on drilling. The drill bit breaking is my own fault. I know that now. That 1/2" drill is stout. When it catches, it spins right out of your hands. I let it get away from me. Oh well
Yes the bracket difference between a standard Axis axle and an Axis axle from Inland. Well what can I say. Oh right here's what I say, "Read post #1 again" money talks!
Inland-$1,919
CHTR-$1,110
Difference=$809
So I thought of this $809 difference as I bought another drill bit for $15 today and I smiled.

The $809 is enough to buy 53 more drill bits.
The $809 is enough to buy a new axle for my '62 GT "Lorelei"
The $809 is enough to buy four new 16" Alcoa rims.
The $809 is enough to buy four Michelin LTX M/S2 and have $225 in change.

So after I have them installed and my new drill is put away for the summer, I'm rolling down the road smooth as silk with four new Michelin tires, the last thing on my mind will be the eight new holes I drilled in Abby's axle mounting plate.
Prosit!

P.S. The yellow sheet from Axis shows what CHTR pays for an axle. Colin is not selling them for cost.
It's sort of difficult to compare prices on 2 different models of axles.

12" brakes do not compare with 10" brakes.

Direct bolt in, does not compare with having to drill holes.

Etc, etc.

But, the important thing, is if your happy, that's all that really matters.

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