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10-07-2013, 11:17 AM
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Rivet Master
1972 Argosy 20
Snoqualmie
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Join Date: Sep 2012
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Well, the sky is not falling. I did crawl under the trailer with a tape and straight edge and determined that the bend is in the approximate center of the axle. I then called Dexter and found that indeed this bend is put in the axle after assembly to achieve a proper camber.
Thank you all for your responses, but I'm embarrassed for not having done my research before reacting so precipitously. Mea Culpa
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10-07-2013, 11:31 AM
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Rivet Master
1984 34' International
Toronto
, Ontario
Join Date: Jul 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DryFly
t I'm embarrassed for not having done my research before reacting so precipitously. Mea Culpa
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I'd be embarrassed to admit how many times I've done just the same. Glad it all worked out in the end.
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10-07-2013, 11:33 AM
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Rivet Master
Port Orchard
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Join Date: May 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DryFly
Well, the sky is not falling. I did crawl under the trailer with a tape and straight edge and determined that the bend is in the approximate center of the axle. I then called Dexter and found that indeed this bend is put in the axle after assembly to achieve a proper camber.
Thank you all for your responses, but I'm embarrassed for not having done my research before reacting so precipitously. Mea Culpa
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Hey, No need to be embarrassed. You learned something new and valuable about your trailer. What you saw didn't look right so you took the appropriate action by checking it out here and elsewhere. There is from time to time some inaccurate information disseminated here (maybe even by me)(I doubt that part though), so always check it all out. I'm glad all is well.
Ken
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10-14-2013, 01:22 PM
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Moderator dude
1966 26' Overlander
Phoenix
, Arizona
Join Date: Apr 2002
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Based on the discovery I have changed the name of this thread.
>>>>>>>Action
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10-30-2021, 05:58 PM
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1 Rivet Member
2019 25' International
Rutherfordton
, North Carolina
Join Date: Oct 2021
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Just did a pre-PDI on my 2019 25' Signature RB. Saw the same thing and was pissed. Then I looked under a brand new flying Cloud and the axles had the same bow in the middle. What a relief.
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10-30-2021, 06:49 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 25' International
West Lake Hills
, Texas
Join Date: Dec 2020
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Valuable information in this thread. Thanks for reporting your suspicions and the conclusion.
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10-30-2021, 07:20 PM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS
It sure looks like there is a dimple right at the bend point, I have not seen an axle bend that was not concentric across the entire length. Our 63 Safari was and so is the Classic....no dimple.
Bob
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Well, guess what, although the originals,('03) had no 'dimples' and were bowed.
The new ones are dimpled and bowed. I'll be damned.
Bob
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Not even installed yet.😂
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10-30-2021, 07:33 PM
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Rivet Master
2002 19' Bambi
Lafayette
, California
Join Date: May 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS
Well, guess what, although the originals,('03) had no 'dimples' and were bowed. The new ones are dimpled and bowed.
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The originals were probably Henschen axles and the new ones are probably Dexter.
Tim
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10-30-2021, 07:40 PM
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Rivet Master
2018 30' Flying Cloud
Springfield
, Ohio
Join Date: Jun 2020
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It would be a good practice for posters to calm down and not begin posts by disparaging others. I see it too many times and I cringe when I see them. Count to 10 or 1000 or whatever you need before casting stones.
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10-30-2021, 10:00 PM
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Rivet Master
2002 19' Bambi
Lafayette
, California
Join Date: May 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tbrowne
It would be a good practice for posters to calm down and not begin posts by disparaging others. I see it too many times and I cringe when I see them. Count to 10 or 1000 or whatever you need before casting stones.
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Huh?
This thread began in 2013 and I see no sign of any poster in subsequent years disparaging anyone. If you think I did so with my post immediately above, I certainly did not have that intent.
Tim
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10-31-2021, 07:43 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim A.
The originals were probably Henschen axles and the new ones are probably Dexter.
Tim
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True that...
Bob
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10-31-2021, 08:15 AM
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1 Rivet Member
2019 25' International
Rutherfordton
, North Carolina
Join Date: Oct 2021
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Is it a curve, bend, or bow?
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10-31-2021, 10:13 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tangfish
Is it a curve, bend, or bow?
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All of the above.
Plus dimple.
Why...does it matter?
Bob
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10-31-2021, 10:46 AM
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Rivet Master
2019 27' International
2014 25' International
2006 23' Safari SE
Boulder City
, Nevada
Join Date: Aug 2007
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Lamar: We build trailers that last
Spring vs. Torsion Trailer Axles: What's the Big Deal?
There are some great videos of Torsion Axles on the Internet. I learned a lot. I made a copy of their comparison for reference.
There was one video where the axle was cut in the center to fit. The Rubber for the Torsion did not appear to go all the way across... either. One guy was fitting Axles to fit a flat bed trailer and was showing how to weld it, without damaging the rubber.
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10-31-2021, 12:13 PM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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^
YES
The 'beam' is only there to hold the spindles apart, and to give the uninformed a place to jack the trailer. NOT 👎
ie The axles are 'aligned' on a jig during manufacture, and tweaked a bit after install if needed.
POI... I watched the tech do the measurements. Our install was well within specs, no adjustments needed.
Bob
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10-31-2021, 12:25 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' FB Eddie Bauer
Vintage Kin Owner
Virginia Beach
, Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 7,801
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray Eklund
Lamar: We build trailers that last
Spring vs. Torsion Trailer Axles: What's the Big Deal?
There are some great videos of Torsion Axles on the Internet. I learned a lot. I made a copy of their comparison for reference.
There was one video where the axle was cut in the center to fit. The Rubber for the Torsion did not appear to go all the way across... either. One guy was fitting Axles to fit a flat bed trailer and was showing how to weld it, without damaging the rubber.
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The "cut in half" axles were used in 1980's AVION trailers. Avions have a very stout frame (8" triple I-beam) and the cut axles gave them the equivalent of an independent suspension. The jack easily works on the frame of an Avion.
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10-31-2021, 01:04 PM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray Eklund
Lamar: We build trailers that last
Spring vs. Torsion Trailer Axles: What's the Big Deal?
There are some great videos of Torsion Axles on the Internet. I learned a lot. I made a copy of their comparison for reference.
There was one video where the axle was cut in the center to fit. The Rubber for the Torsion did not appear to go all the way across... either. One guy was fitting Axles to fit a flat bed trailer and was showing how to weld it, without damaging the rubber.
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AS has always touted it's 'independent' suspension.
Bob
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10-31-2021, 01:07 PM
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Site Team
2002 25' Safari
Dewey
, Arizona
Join Date: Mar 2005
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It is my understanding that the capacity of the axle is determined by the length of the rubber rods. To increase the capacity, they use longer rods...
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Wally Byam Airstream Club 7513
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10-31-2021, 01:40 PM
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Moderator dude
1966 26' Overlander
Phoenix
, Arizona
Join Date: Apr 2002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by azflycaster
It is my understanding that the capacity of the axle is determined by the length of the rubber rods. To increase the capacity, they use longer rods...
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My understanding as well.
There are 2 may be 3 axle tube diameters. The load capacity differences are accomplished by increasing or decreasing the length of the rubber rods.
Action
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10-31-2021, 03:43 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1987 34' Limited
Hantsport
, NS
Join Date: Jan 2021
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Geez, jacking a naked 240lb axle up into place twists the tube and puts it out of alignment? I do understand not lifting the trailer using the axle as a jacking point but am surprised to hear that the axle won’t tolerate its own weight
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