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12-09-2010, 08:59 AM
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Rivet Master
1997 34' Limited
1970 27' Overlander
South of Atlanta
, Georgia
Join Date: Sep 2009
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How long to change an axle
I have me new Henschen axles on hand, and the temps are supposed to reach the upper 50's Saturday. The plan is to change out the old for the new and I am trying to plan out the day.
For those who have changed an axles(s) before, how long does the job take? I have three to do and am hoping to complete the task in a single day.
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1997 34' Excella 1000
1970 27' Overlander, International
2009 Ford F150 5.4L
ProPride hitch with 1400# bars
AIR 41028
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12-09-2010, 09:07 AM
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Moderator Emeritus
1972 31' Sovereign
High Springs
, Florida
Join Date: May 2002
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Should be able to do it in that time frame, IF the bolts are not rusted too bad. An air impact gun and ratchet will speed things up quite a bit. Got a "Flame Wrench", just in case?
I did mine in 20 degree weather on a limestone driveway up in Ohio.
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12-09-2010, 09:15 AM
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Rivet Master
1970 23' Safari
2005 30' Classic
1986 31' Sovereign
Lorain
, Ohio
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,645
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Over the next couple of days, shoot some penetrating oil on the mounting bolts. Stuck bolts would be about the only thing that could stop you in your tracks.
Of course, 6" of snow might stop you also.... (I'm in Ohio!)
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12-09-2010, 09:52 AM
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Rivet Master
1966 24' Tradewind
Placerville
, California
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,328
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With everything in place, tools, ramps to drive 2 wheels (axles) onto, cardboard to lie on if outdoors, tow vehicle hitched I would say 2 hours an axle. BUT this ain't a perfect world so give yourself minimum 2 days maybe 3. A helping hand will cut that time dramatically. It took me 3 days for 2 axels but I have titanium hips and arthritis in all my other joints. Be sure that you have some cold ones for the completion celebration.
Neil
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FreshAir #12407
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Kirk Creek, Big Sur, Ca. coast.
1966 Trade Wind
1971 Buick Centurion convertible
455 cid
1969 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight
455 cid
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12-09-2010, 09:55 AM
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Excella
Princeton
, New Jersey
Join Date: Aug 2003
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If you have a floor jack consider making a beam out of a 2x8 to support the axle as you put it up into place. The problem is the fact that the trailing arms and brake drums want to cause the axle to rotate away from the axle beam if you are lifting with the beam. Finding the balance point, on a jack, to support the axles before you go under the trailer will save you a lot of time.
I used a motorcycle jack that allowed me to clamp the 2x8 to the lift plate and put 2 pieces of wood at the ends to support the spindles. This allowed me to lift the axles straight up into position. The jack also provided a roll around platform to easily move the axles under the trailer.
The front 2 axles are straight forward as you can get to them with an impact wrench. The rear axle will require 2 combination wrenches and maybe a pipe as a helper to brake the bolts free. The bolts are blocked by one of the tanks.
It took 2 of us less than an hour to set the axles. The electrical work on the brakes took me, working alone about the same.
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12-09-2010, 10:20 AM
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Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
Corona
, California
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,497
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviator
I have me new Henschen axles on hand, and the temps are supposed to reach the upper 50's Saturday. The plan is to change out the old for the new and I am trying to plan out the day.
For those who have changed an axles(s) before, how long does the job take? I have three to do and am hoping to complete the task in a single day.
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Craig.
With a helper, it will take almost a day, to change the axles, shocks, complete the wiring and to install the Centramatics.
That includes a lunch and a cool one, or hot one, twice.
Andy
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12-09-2010, 10:34 AM
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Rivet Master
1973 27' Overlander
Tucson
, AZ
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,480
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Took me and my pop about 8 hrs to do two axles. First one was the learning curve - then it went more quickly. Needed a sledge hammer to *gently encourage* the axle to drop out of place after all the bolts were out.
Finished in the dark, using flashlight to complete the wiring. Should have skipped the 2 hr lunch & beverage.
Laura
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12-09-2010, 10:39 AM
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Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
Corona
, California
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,497
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Quote:
Originally Posted by funkill
Took me and my pop about 8 hrs to do two axles. First one was the learning curve - then it went more quickly. Needed a sledge hammer to *gently encourage* the axle to drop out of place after all the bolts were out.
Finished in the dark, using flashlight to complete the wiring. Should have skipped the 2 hr lunch & beverage.
Laura
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Laura.
You practice the old motto everyday at the space center.
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing it right, the first time.
Mistakes are not an option.
Andy
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12-09-2010, 12:01 PM
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Rivet Master
1977 27' Overlander
Trotwood
, Ohio
Join Date: Jul 2007
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I changed out 2 axles in about 3 hrs. Now to qualify ,My neighbor helped me. He had the asphalt driveway. With tv hooked up,pulled the front axle up on 2x8's. Popped the wheels off. We had wheeldollys from Harbor Freight,the non-hydralic kind,a floor jack to let the axles down. Then it poured down rain. It stopped in a bit and we continued. Buzzed out the bolts (with only a shot of PB BLASTER) wiff the impact, (1/2 drive) with several phone interuptions both his and mine,we rolled it off the planks in about 3 hrs.
I think the hardest part what gettin them old buggers to slid off the frame. I think the frame moved in some cause we had to persuade the new ones to go into place also.
ALL in ALL PIECE O CAKE . Just like Andy told me on da phone.
I'd do it again ,I kinda enjoyed it.
Roger
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12-09-2010, 01:56 PM
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Rivet Master
1968 24' Tradewind
Oxford,
, Mississippi
Join Date: May 2009
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HowieE is correct about the axles rotating in the cradle. I found that the best way was with 2 floor jacks and a helper. When you get them into position, just rotate them a little to line up the slot in the frame with the axle and raise them up evenly from both sides. I did the first axle with one jack and the 2nd one using the two jack method (much easier). A few short pieces of 4x4 will come in hand too. Also have your electrical tools, soldier, heat shrink, etc. handy to attach the brake wires to the new axles. Penetrating oil on all the bolts will make a huge difference. If you don't have air and an impact wrench have 1/2 drive with a long pull handle.
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2001 Toyota Tundra
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12-09-2010, 03:44 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1979 31' Sovereign
Richfield
, Ohio
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 44
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I changed both axles in my '79 Soveriegn in April. It took me about 12 hours total. A good amount of the time was spent on changing the brake backing plates and bearings. I just bought the bare axles since the brakes, magnets and bearings were all in good condition. 1/2 of the bolts had to be removed without the use of an impact gun, acsess blocked by belly tank and swing arm. I used 2 mechanics creepers to roll the axles into place and then lifted them with a pair of sizzor jacks. It when smoothly. Make sure to solder the electric brake wiring and use shrink tubing on the splice, mine originally had wire nuts to mahe the splice. Good luck.
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12-09-2010, 07:57 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 22' Safari
Hyde Park Place
, Ohio
Join Date: Jul 2010
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I am happy to help anyone within 500 miles of Austin, TX to do this, if they will just cover the cost of gas, and overnight accommodation if needed. I would bring all tools needed.
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12-09-2010, 08:29 PM
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Rivet Master
1960 28' Ambassador
Vintage Kin Owner
1998 25' Safari
Avonton
, Ontario
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,331
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I changed the axle on a 63 Bambi today. 2 1/2 hrs and will hook up the brake wires tomorrow and it's finished. They get faster the more you do. This was number 11 for this year.
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1950 Spartan
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12-09-2010, 09:31 PM
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Maniacal Engineer
1971 25' Tradewind
Lopez Island
, Washington
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,244
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I did the axles by myself in just a few hours; having a floor jack & air tools made it pretty simple. Getting the new hydraulic disc brakes set up took far longer, what with installing the tubing, disc controller, & bleeding the system several times, road testing, etc.
- Bart
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12-10-2010, 05:50 AM
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Rivet Master
1997 34' Limited
1970 27' Overlander
South of Atlanta
, Georgia
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,709
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Thanks to all for the replies. I think I will build a jig to hold the axle and prevent rotation. That should make it a bit easier, as well as more accurate.
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Craig and Carol
1997 34' Excella 1000
1970 27' Overlander, International
2009 Ford F150 5.4L
ProPride hitch with 1400# bars
AIR 41028
TAC GA-8
WBCCI 10199
Past President Southeastern Camping Unit (12)
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12-10-2010, 08:46 AM
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Rivet Master
1966 24' Tradewind
Placerville
, California
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,328
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Here is the axle 'holder' that I quickly built to contain the axle on the jack. The 'holder' is bolted to the jack. This worked for me very well.
Neil
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FreshAir #12407
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Kirk Creek, Big Sur, Ca. coast.
1966 Trade Wind
1971 Buick Centurion convertible
455 cid
1969 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight
455 cid
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12-10-2010, 10:25 AM
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Rivet Master
1978 28' Ambassador
Morada
, California
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 1,584
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I ran a description of my experience changing two axles...look here - scroll down to post# 18:
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f173...tml#post925341
Ray
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12-10-2010, 10:57 AM
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ALUMINUM OBSSESSION
1993 34' Limited
Hamilton
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 159
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Andy, What is the life expectance of axles on a 34' airstream trailer.
I'm surprised they would need replacing already.
I would appreciate your professional advice on this!!!
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12-10-2010, 11:39 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1989 32' Excella
Limestone
, Alabama
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 38
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Took me about 8 hours to swap out 2 axles, with the second axle taking about half the time of the first due to the learning curve.
I had two small, cheap hydraulic jacks (one at each end of the axle) that I used to lower the old and raise the new axles in place. To keep the axles from rotating - I used two 3 inch capacity spiral hose clamps (radiator hose size) connected together and looped over the axle and under the saddle of the jack. Tightening the clamps "tied" the axles to the jacks preventing the rotation of the axles during the remove/install. I lowered each jack a bit until the axle was down on a furniture trolley in the center, then c-clamped the axle to the trolley to prevent it from rotating, removed the spiral clamps from both ends and used the trolley to move axles. With many thanks to all on the forum for all the other info needed to make the swap easier than expected.
Best wishes on a successful axle swap!!!
Steve
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12-10-2010, 12:15 PM
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Rivet Master
1965 17' Caravel
1983 27' Excella
Walnut Grove/Laguna Woods
, California
Join Date: Jun 2004
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Here is how I installed the new axles on our Excella.
I put a piece of tape around the axle to mark the center. Placed the axle on the floor jack lengthwise and rolled it under the trailer. I then jacked the axle up until it was starting into the slot. At that point my wife got on one end and I on the other and gave a little lift to the trailing arms to get the axle in the right orientation and the axle started right up into the slot.
Jacked it the rest of the way and inserted the bolts. It took me about as long to get it into place as it did to type the story here.
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