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Old 06-14-2009, 08:49 PM   #15
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Thanks , i will try this

and if this is not working, lets dismantle the "%*&%$$*"
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Old 06-15-2009, 10:50 AM   #16
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Michael, there are other threads on wheel bearings and such. Search for them and read them. The advice you have received is correct, but more reading would be helpful.

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Old 06-15-2009, 12:19 PM   #17
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here is the little culprit, after wrestling the drum of i found this, pretty sure it is not supposed to look like this

after calling Inland RV, went to a local RV dealer and got a new grease seal

everything is back together and will go for a test drive this evening.



Thanks to everyone for the good advice

I will keep you posted on how it went

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Old 06-15-2009, 01:12 PM   #18
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Even though I took things apart a month ago, I could be wrong, but I don't think you will find more than 3 springs in there and none of them look anything like that. Two of them should be return springs to bring the shoes to rest after you let up on the brakes. They should be larger in diameter and shorter—maybe 1 1/2" long. The 3rd spring may tension the adjuster, but I was looking for other things at the time. It looks similar to the other two. When you look at brakes, how they work seems pretty obvious.

What you have there looks like something someone left in there. Are the other springs in place?

Of course, the brakes could operate differently on your model, but I think the way drum brakes operate hasn't changed much in generations.

The open question is why would this spring cause overheating?

Here are some pictures of springs, one of which is of a kit and not a particularly good picture, but if you blow up the lower right side, you can see what trailer brake springs look like:
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Old 06-15-2009, 01:55 PM   #19
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Even though I took things apart a month ago, I could be wrong, but I don't think you will find more than 3 springs in there and none of them look anything like that. Two of them should be return springs to bring the shoes to rest after you let up on the brakes. They should be larger in diameter and shorter—maybe 1 1/2" long. The 3rd spring may tension the adjuster, but I was looking for other things at the time. It looks similar to the other two. When you look at brakes, how they work seems pretty obvious.

What you have there looks like something someone left in there. Are the other springs in place?

Of course, the brakes could operate differently on your model, but I think the way drum brakes operate hasn't changed much in generations.

The open question is why would this spring cause overheating?

Here are some pictures of springs, one of which is of a kit and not a particularly good picture, but if you blow up the lower right side, you can see what trailer brake springs look like:


From what my understanding is, this spring is just behind the back grease seal holding the seal tight
at least this where i found it and the new one has the same spring in place, nice and round of course
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Old 06-15-2009, 02:32 PM   #20
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Oh! That's new to me. The few I've worked on have the grease seal held in by friction and you drive it in. Next question—who last worked on the bearings and when? There shouldn't be such a failure on a seal unless it's installed improperly or left in much too long. You are fortunate you caught it now because it could have been a lot worse. Check the bearings and the races to make sure they are ok. Those parts are cheap.

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Oh! That's new to me. The few I've worked on have the grease seal held in by friction and you drive it in. Next question—who last worked on the bearings and when? There shouldn't be such a failure on a seal unless it's installed improperly or left in much too long. You are fortunate you caught it now because it could have been a lot worse. Check the bearings and the races to make sure they are ok. Those parts are cheap.

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well the axle and the drum was brand new, everything came factory installed to me , i found out during a 20 mile test drive , so i am not sure what went wrong
yup, checked everything and it looked good , so i guess i just caught it in time
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Old 06-15-2009, 02:58 PM   #22
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If that grease seal was that messed up ,is there grease all over the shoes? If so you need new shoes. Dave
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If that grease seal was that messed up ,is there grease all over the shoes? If so you need new shoes. Dave


No grease on the shoes, i wiped/cleaned everything with mineral spirits, just to be sure, but when i opened it up is was clean
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Old 06-15-2009, 06:51 PM   #24
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Still hot....... i do think even more than before

Do i have to let it cool down before opening it up???????

To much grease maybe ????????

or could it be that i have the wheel to loose????????? i read the thread about the bearing adjustment ?


any help is aprechiated
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It is possible that a piece of the seal spring may have been eaten by the bearing. I would inspect the bearing carefully as well as the race.
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Might be your controller

If the wheels spin freely when off the ground, and the bearings are greased and adjusted properly, the tires are inflated properly, there should be no excessive heat build-up.

Have you given the wheels a spin while connected to your tow vehicle?

Could there be something wrong with your brake controller? It happened to me a couple of years ago. Started off one morning, got on the highway and the trailer brakes came on all by themselves. I had to disconnect the trailer electrical to get off the highway. I replaced the controller and the problem went away.
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If the wheels spin freely when off the ground, and the bearings are greased and adjusted properly, the tires are inflated properly, there should be no excessive heat build-up.

Have you given the wheels a spin while connected to your tow vehicle?

Could there be something wrong with your brake controller? It happened to me a couple of years ago. Started off one morning, got on the highway and the trailer brakes came on all by themselves. I had to disconnect the trailer electrical to get off the highway. I replaced the controller and the problem went away.

The wheels spin freely when connected to the TW and it seems that the controller works fine ( brand new) and stopes the wheels when the brakes are engaged

since i have no experience it could be that i went a bit overboard with the grease

and need to adjust the bearings
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Old 06-15-2009, 07:59 PM   #28
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YUP thats the little bugger. That spring is on the back side of the seal and it holds the seal edges to the spindle and keeps the grease in and the water and dirt out. Hopefully. I have replaced alot of those. Well they were just a smidge larger, BIG TRUCKS ya know. 45 yrs I changed alot of em.
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