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Old 01-19-2009, 10:27 AM   #1
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I have a 20 ft argosy 78, and when i look under the frame the axle look bend up, what kind of problem do i have,
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Been there, done that. I remember the day I discovered that on my Argosy. It gave me a burst of worry too. Those axles have an arch that was placed very carefully with an eye to alignment at manufacture.
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Ditto on the arch in the middle of the square tube of the axle. Is that what you are talking about? A photo would help.
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I agree with Bob & Marshall - A bend in the MIDDLE of the axle tube was put there by Henschen.

Now that I think about it, and can get over hijacking a thread, does anyone know if Axis or Dexter puts the same bend in their products for [the obvious] camber adjustment?

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Now that I think about it, and can get over hijacking a thread, does anyone know if Axis or Dexter puts the same bend in their products for [the obvious] camber adjustment?

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The axle we purchased from Axis, has a steel tube that could be used as a straight edge. No visible bend, suggesting alignment.

Someone said they align their axles, when they weld the spindle to the torsion arm. We have no proof of that and neither did the testing lab.

Perhaps that may be the reason the toe-in and camber, on both sides, of the axle we purchaed from Axis, were out of tolerance and specs, as reported to us, by the testing lab.

Henschen and Dexter, axle tubes, both have a visible bend in them, which is caused during the alignment process.

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Henschen and Dexter, axle tubes, both have a visible bend in them, which is caused during the alignment process.

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Does bend in the Henschen axle change over time or does it stay the same.

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Does bend in the Henschen axle change over time or does it stay the same.

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The bend (alignment) of Henschen axles, stays the same, over time.

They will remian that way, unless, someone has jacked the trailer up using the axle, or if the axle has been damaged in some form of an accident.

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What if some one jack it up my the axle, what is my problem and what can i do to fix it, thank you for the help
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One or both wheels may now be out of alignment.

Jacking up any Airstream from 1961 or any Argosy trailer equipped with torsion axles, is an absolute NO NO.

I would suggest that you check the alignment of the wheels on the axle that was used.

I will post the alignment specs later, as I am not at my office.

If the axle is out of alignment the fix is to have it realigned by a shop that has the correct equipment.

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I don't think that simply jacking the trailer up by the axle will bend it. Maybe if you had 30,000# on the trailer. If the axle bent that easily, every time you hit a bump going down the road you would bend an axle. Adios, John
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Unless you have uneven tire wear or the trailer does not pull straight, I would be more concerned with the 30 year old rubber inside the axle.

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I don't think that simply jacking the trailer up by the axle will bend it. Maybe if you had 30,000# on the trailer. If the axle bent that easily, every time you hit a bump going down the road you would bend an axle. Adios, John
As per Airstream , Henschen and Dexter, the weight of the trailer is enough to bend the axle tube.

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The wheel alignment specs, for all Argosy and Airstream trailers, is as follows.

Toe in, each side 1/16 inch
Toe in, tolerance 1/16 inch plus or minus
Camber each side 3/4 degrees positive
Camber tolerance 3/4 degrees plus or minus

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I have a 20 ft argosy 78, and when i look under the frame the axle look bend up, what kind of problem do i have,
You may have a bad axle to boot.



Another test, is to jack up the trailer on one side, placing the jack under the axle mounting plate. The tires should drop about 3 inches from it's weighted position. If not, then the rubber rods have solidified within the axle tube. The only fix, is an axle replacement.

A bad axle will cause a number of serious damages to the trailer and frame, if towed enough, since the trailer will bottom out when you hit even small bumps.

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