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Old 05-05-2008, 07:03 PM   #155
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...but are you working in sandals ?

here is my silly notion about the need or value of shocks with dexters or henschens...
...but as the rubber ages, sets, shrinks and so on it does less on recoil...

and this changes the dynamics so LESS of the unloading action is dampened or absorbed....

so on an older unit or on really old axles the shocks do modify/improve vibration issues.

one simple way to test this theory would be for an owner ABOUT to replace tired axles...

to pull the trailer with AND without the shocks while recording the vibration data as you've done...

then AFTER mounting new axles make the same recordings before and after mounting the shocks...

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I'm with you on the shock theory as long as the axle failure mode is a collapsed ride height where there is still some travel. For the units that simply get stiff, there is nothing to damp. My shocks seem to be in reasonable condition...I guess they were not really doing anything!

Sandals? Sandals? No way! those are steel toed Teva's in skin tone
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Old 05-05-2008, 07:16 PM   #156
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What blue trim piece are you talking about. I only see some vinyl insert missing, but maybe I don't know what you really need.
Here's a photo (The PO used blue painters tape...)
All the other sections are in good shape so I only need the one small piece.
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Old 05-07-2008, 09:39 AM   #157
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It looks like I won't have the time right now to gather the new ride quality data, too busy going camping but I will get the data.

Now for a question-
Has anyone had issues with new axles that I need to prep for? It's very likely that the first outing they will see is a 4,500 mile trip!
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I'd sure check the hub temperatures at 20 and 100 miles. The first night I would jack them up, check ease of rotation, and reset the bearings.
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Old 05-07-2008, 01:02 PM   #159
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I have some left over blue vinyl insert. Measure how much you need and what the width is. I think you need the wide one like I used on the bottom of my 76 Sovereign. I can send you a piece if it's the same as I used. Otherwise, it comes in 50' rolls. Here is my Sovereign in the process of putting in the two small vinyl inserts mid-trailer, and you can see the larger blue insert around the bottom in one picture. PM me with your address, width you need, and length you need and I'll see if I have it. It's easy to install on a warm day with a flat head screwdriver and a little patience.
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Hey Vernon, congrats on a job well done. Where are you going camping? We still want to meet you, Sarah, and Mac at CLear Springs sometime.
Have fun and keep us informed of the new performance after new axles!
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Old 05-07-2008, 01:44 PM   #161
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... Where are you going camping? We still want to meet you, Sarah, and Mac at CLear Springs sometime.
Have fun and keep us informed of the new performance after new axles!
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Greg,
We missed hooking up with ya'll during spring break at Clear Creek, It snuck up on us so we just crashed at a local camp 'mougunst the screaming hoards...
I looks good for us to split and do 2 1/2 to 3 weeks heading for Tetons/Yellowstone pretty soon. I'll do some posts...
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Old 05-07-2008, 10:21 PM   #162
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I looks good for us to split and do 2 1/2 to 3 weeks heading for Tetons/Yellowstone pretty soon. I'll do some posts...
Enjoy the peace of mind knowing that your vintage rig is riding down the road on brand spanking new suspension and brake systems. Happy trails Hi Ho Aluminum.
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Here is the only thing I havenít seen photos of. I built a template, sawing it out and using it to fit the axles to the trailer. By doing this the rear slot in the axle becomes a notch and locks the axle into position. Plus I didnít hog out the hole in my Ďstream!
Great tip, great idea! - Saves you from having to lay on the ground while drilling out the holes - not very much fun! Glad your axle saga worked out. Enjoy the new ride.

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All the other sections are in good shape so I only need the one small piece.
A care package showed up today... Thanks Dennis!
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'round 2 it

After 2 months and a 5,000 mile 'break in' tour I finally got a free afternoon to install the recording instruments back into Epiffiany and record the ride harshness with the new axles. The road conditions on the test loop seem to be unchanged since the 1st round of recordings with the old axles so the only difference will be the effect of new axles without shocks. It'll be Monday before I can crunch the numbers and post the results but at least the data is recorded.

I can comment that since the replacement I have been able to keep most of the clothes hanging in the rear closet - prior to the axle swap it was a given that everything would be piled in the floor upon arrival at the campground.
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Humm

In the words of Gomer Pyle, USMC... Surprise, surprise, surprise!

Mathmatically, the new axles only made a minor difference. The total energy transfered into the shell did drop about 10% which is a good thing but visually reviewing the graphs it's tough to tell any difference.

The Pink data is the Old Axles, old shocks, no WD bars on the hitch
The Yellow is the New Axles, no shocks, no WD bars on the hitch

The graph is 20.6 seconds of data including 3 'steps' onto and exiting small bridges. Not really rough but a noticable step. This is the same section as shown in post #60.

My analysis of the data? The old axles were causing things to break in the trailer and the new ones don't, this I'm sure of. Both runs were lightly loaded. Perhaps the old axles only had issues on big bumps and my test loop didn't have any of those? I still get the 3hz bounce that replicates a tire compressing and rebounding.
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In the words of Gomer Pyle, USMC... Surprise, surprise, surprise!

Mathmatically, the new axles only made a minor difference. The total energy transfered into the shell did drop about 10% which is a good thing but visually reviewing the graphs it's tough to tell any difference.

The Pink data is the Old Axles, old shocks, no WD bars on the hitch
The Yellow is the New Axles, no shocks, no WD bars on the hitch

The graph is 20.6 seconds of data including 3 'steps' onto and exiting small bridges. Not really rough but a noticable step. This is the same section as shown in post #60.

My analysis of the data? The old axles were causing things to break in the trailer and the new ones don't, this I'm sure of. Both runs were lightly loaded. Perhaps the old axles only had issues on big bumps and my test loop didn't have any of those? I still get the 3hz bounce that replicates a tire compressing and rebounding.

Since you have special test equipment that can check a bounce factor, was that test done with or without shocks?

If it was without shocks, then it would be very interesting and informative to have that data as well.

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