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Old 06-14-2012, 07:07 AM   #15
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Chuck,

Something I would check on your 02 Classic.

Up until recently AS was equipping their trailers with under-rated axles.

Ours came with two 3500lb axles with a GVWR of 7300lbs.

I haven't up-graded, but do put the trailer up on stands for Winter storage, and track our loading carefully. The Classics are heavy.

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Don't forget that GVWR includes the weight that is supported on the tongue of the trailer too. That typically ranges from 10%-15% of gross weight, and in some cases can go as high as 20%.

So if you have a fully loaded trailer that weighs 7300#, 15% tongue weight of 1,095# you only have 6,205# sitting on your axles rated for 7,000# so you are still good.

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Old 06-14-2012, 08:27 AM   #16
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Chuck,

The first few years of production of the Classic S/O the axles were only rated for 4,400lbs which gave the trailer GVWR 8,800lbs (Classic GVWR is 9,100lbs) which caused one to assume that the hitch would carry the extra weight. When using a weight distribution hitch not all of the exta weight is carried by the hitch.
You may want to negotiate new running gear into your offer. I definitely would.
You'll most likely want to upgrade to the new standard which would be axles rated at 10,000lbs and wheels and tires to Load Range D.
In the Spring 2012 issue of Airstream Life you'll find an excellent article "The 2001-2009 30' Slide-Out" by Forrest McClure that covers these great units, no longer in production. Check it out and learn more.
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Old 06-14-2012, 08:52 AM   #17
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Don't forget that GVWR includes the weight that is supported on the tongue of the trailer too. That typically ranges from 10%-15% of gross weight, and in some cases can go as high as 20%.

So if you have a fully loaded trailer that weighs 7300#, 15% tongue weight of 1,095# you only have 6,205# sitting on your axles rated for 7,000# so you are still good.

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Aaron,

Not quite....

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Old 06-14-2012, 12:28 PM   #18
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Why would someone never sleep in or move something that expensive for 10 years? Were they spending all their time on their yacht or flying around in their jet and forgot about the trailer?

Perhaps I am too suspicious, but I'd wonder about that. Are they pumping up the trailer to get more money? Is this the truth? Maybe they only used it sparingly and figure no one will notice. It may not make any difference, but strange stories may have strange endings.

I don't know about the axles, but as you know tires and seals may be bad. Floor rot may exist under the flooring. This era's heavy and long trailers had a problems with front end separation if I recall correctly—you may have to deal with that eventually.

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Old 06-14-2012, 02:59 PM   #20
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Not quite....

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Then you are either over gross or your plate is wrong.

I have been towing things on a personal and professional basis for many years. If a vehicle has a GVWR that is supposed to be a not to exceed rating, and DMV enforcement will be happy to write you plenty of expensive reminders.

The only thing that your swindle sheets tell me is that you have a certain weight on the axles. If your GVWR is 7300# you are over your GVW, pure and simple.

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Don't forget the shock absorbers - they axles could be good, but the shocks may have bled out their fluid by now. You' could probably get away with new shocks now, axles later.

Why would anyone let a brand new Airstream sit for 10 years.

Denial or grief.

Know a woman who won't sell "Henry's Airstream". Henry had a stroke 15 years ago and she's been waiting for his recovery so they can go back out camping.

She's just emotionally stuck while her Airstream is slowly decaying.


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Shouldn't the upper arms of the Zip Dee awning hook on to the roller bar? In all the other Zip Dees I've seen, the upper bar runs along the side of the awning fabric when the awning is up.

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Then you are either over gross or your plate is wrong.

I have been towing things on a personal and professional basis for many years. If a vehicle has a GVWR that is supposed to be a not to exceed rating, and DMV enforcement will be happy to write you plenty of expensive reminders.

The only thing that your swindle sheets tell me is that you have a certain weight on the axles. If your GVWR is 7300# you are over your GVW, pure and simple.

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Aaron

No kidding...so what exactly are you saying?

That the axle rating's are fine?

It's ok for AS to equip a trailer with 7000lbs worth of axles and give it a 7300lb rating.

What the devil is a swindle sheet?

The yellow one that AS gave me, or the one from the CAT.

Gee..... I'm so dum, glad your not, sorry.

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Old 06-14-2012, 08:09 PM   #24
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No kidding...so what exactly are you saying?

That the axle rating's are fine?

It's ok for AS to equip a trailer with 7000lbs worth of axles and give it a 7300lb rating.

What the devil is a swindle sheet?

The yellow one that AS gave me, or the one from the CAT.

Gee..... I'm so dum, glad your not, sorry.

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What is the gross weight rating of the Airstream in question according to the sticker/tag?

Swindle sheet is a log book/weight ticket, back in the day truckers would "create" them in an attempt to get one over on the DMV officers.

My Airstream (1975 Sovereign) has a GVWR of 7200#, it weighs 5600# or so unloaded. I am pretty sure it has 3500# axles under it.



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What is the gross weight rating of the Airstream in question according to the sticker/tag?

Swindle sheet is a log book/weight ticket, back in the day truckers would "create" them in an attempt to get one over on the DMV officers.

My Airstream (1975 Sovereign) has a GVWR of 7200#, it weighs 5600# or so unloaded. I am pretty sure it has 3500# axles under it.



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Then in that case yes the 3500# axles are fine, the 676# of CCC is a bit weak, but that is what AS was doing at that point. Just adding heavier axles may or may not up the load capacity. You have to take into consideration the frame, A-frame, coupler, etc. FWIW my AS has an empty weight almost a 1,000# lighter.

Shame on AS for over loading their trailers without beefing up the necessary components...but not everybody tows with the water tanks full all the time.

In the owner's manual for my 1975 they list all the options and weights as well as if they add or subtract to the tongue weight or the axle weights. Shades of weight and balance like in an aircraft.

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I'm trying to make sense of Bob and Aaron's dispute. I think Aaron says the tongue weight or part of it can be subtracted from the GVWR. Bob says no. And DOT, he says, agrees with him.

If this is where you guys are, what authority says tongue weight, or part of it (that part shifted to the tow vehicle axles) can be subtracted from the GVWR? I think Bob may be right because I've never seen anything indicating you can subtract tongue wt., but maybe not.

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I don't believe I have ever seen such a nice looking trailer picked apart to this extent before. How may of you all are planning to sneak in and buy it after you totally discourage him from doing it.

To address the original concern, the axles look fine from the photo.

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