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Old 02-13-2015, 01:30 PM   #15
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Old 03-12-2015, 09:25 AM   #16
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Wanting to lift my 2010 27fb for driveway clearance, how do I know which axles I have? 10? 11? 12???
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:33 PM   #17
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Follow up: axles are 11s on a 27FB. Kit went on quite easily by myself. No apparent change in towing behavior but I tow with an F350 so your results may differ. Very happy not to be dragging arse in the usual places.


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Old 08-24-2015, 08:52 PM   #18
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Old 01-25-2016, 11:47 AM   #19
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Old 01-25-2016, 12:09 PM   #20
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I would love to see a 27FB lifted, what kid did you use? 2 or 3" - also do you still have 15 inch tires or 16 inch tires?
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Old 01-25-2016, 07:07 PM   #21
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FWIW, I raised my trailer 3", as far as handling and towing degradation goes, negative affect was nonexistent.

Whether or not the "purists" or anyone else frowns on this modification, I say let em frown...


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Old 01-25-2016, 11:07 PM   #22
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Got any pics of your trailer J. Morgan? I'd love to see what it looks like with a little more clearance.
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Old 01-26-2016, 08:31 AM   #23
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I will get you one here in an hour or two, it really is not that noticeable to the eye, but it is very noticeable in the reduction of dragging the back of the trailer, and it makes my second step useful...

I HATE dragging bottom.


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Old 01-26-2016, 09:05 AM   #24
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The conversion from stock 14" tires and wheels on our 23D to 15" Michelin tires on 15" SenDel T03-56545T wheels lifted the 23D 1.1" to the same elevation our 25FB was at after the same tire conversion.

Since we reused our existing Hensley Arrow from the 25FB, all the settings on the same tow vehicle remained constant.

If one has a trailer under warranty, the structural modifications with the steel tubing could have a negative impact on that warranty if there are any issues.
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Here is another thread on this subject. I have still not gotten around to installing the lift kit on my 23FB, but hope to this spring. Has anyone installed this on a 23?

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f437...-130275-7.html

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I've been following these lift threads for the last few weeks with great interest - there is lots of great advice that I'm still processing, and I'd like to get your help as well.

We recently downsized from a 30' bunkhouse to a 19' Bambi (still packing 5+dog in there!). The dealer helped us move our WD (Blue Ox SwayPro with the 1000# WD bars - they recommended we keep these) to the new rig, and it always has sat nose high by about 3". We cannot drop the hitch anymore than we already have, as the WD bars already scrape going over bumps if we aren't super careful.

We did a 3500 mile holiday trip in our our 19' Bambi over the holidays that was very rough on the rig (the quality of the Los Angeles freeways is murder on suspension!). We probably popped half a dozen rivets over the course of the trip (almost all around LA). We had several hundred lbs of gear in the trailer, and we were running with the oversized WD (the old 1000lb bars from our 30' which the dealer said were 'just fine'). I don't have scale weights yet, but looking back I don't see how we could not have been overloaded on the axle. The trailer is has a 4500# gross limit, and the axle is rated for 4300#. The dry trailer is 3823# on paper, and the WD alone would have put a few hundred additional lbs on the axle.

Long story short, when I got back I ordered the 3" lift kit from Dexter, and the 750# WD bars for the blue ox (we are looking at a tongue weight of around 650#). I have yet to install the lift kit as I'm still thinking this through:

In addition to sitting 'nose high" when hitched, when I have it leveled in storage and lightly loaded (almost empty) the torsion axle angle is at zero degrees - meaning it is parallel to the frame. It looks like the factory axle is a 22.5 degree down angle. I'm no axle expert, and I'm not sure what the angle should be with the nearly empty trailer. To my eyes, there isn't a lot of room left for it to cushion - just slightly less than 2" between the wheel and wheel well skirting when viewing from wheel height (which I gather is one of the litmus tests for checking torsion axles).

So my question to this group is the following: Is it worth installing the lift kit and running pretty much at max gross all the time, or would I be better off biting the bullet and getting a beefier axle (which would be a bit of a bummer on a brand new trailer, but likely worth the investment in the long run). And would a beefier axle solve my ground clearance issues, or would I still need the lift kit?

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Old 01-26-2016, 11:31 AM   #27
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Since the 19' Serenity has a GVW of 4,500 pounds and the axle is rated 4,300 pounds per the Airstream parts book, a stronger axle will not increase the GVW limit. Obviously Airstream has access to the 5,000 pound rated axles of the Classic. Even if one were installed, the GVW would not be higher probably due to the limitations of the frame.

The trailer has a published net payload of 667 pounds before deducting the weight of the fresh water and propane. You can only have a very limited amount of items inside. This was not the trailer design for 5 people and dogs.

Going from the stock 15" tire to a 16" Michelin tire would reduce the net payload even more as the larger tire is substantially heavy than the stock ST tire. The lift kit's weight would also have to be deducted from the net payload figure as well.
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The tire and wheel are unsprung weight. They do not stress the frame or axles. While one could argue that the curb weight has been increased and the GVWR has not changed so the CCC has been decreased, in my opinion the only trailer system that has actually been impacted is the brakes.

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