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Old 03-06-2008, 12:15 PM   #29
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So that was just a little mis-information when you told me last week
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According to Airstream and Henschen, the 1965 Caravel frame "could be damaged" if the axle rating exceeded 3000 pounds.
Maybe it was influenced by the fact that you knew I had ordered my axle from Dexter for $324. Now the information is changing. I hope it's not because Barkingdogg was intending to order through you.
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Old 03-06-2008, 01:10 PM   #30
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So that was just a little mis-information when you told me last week

Maybe it was influenced by the fact that you knew I had ordered my axle from Dexter for $324. Now the information is changing. I hope it's not because Barkingdogg was intending to order through you.
Unfortunately, I am not perfect, and can and do make mistakes.

The only perfect people I know, are in a grave, someplace.

Someone said that they could get a "complete axle" for $250.00. But they wouldn't say from who.

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Old 03-06-2008, 02:30 PM   #31
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Andy,
My old axle lasted 43 years. If my new on lasts that long.....

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we'll both be "perfect".
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Old 05-28-2008, 11:29 AM   #32
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New axle for '65 Caravel

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So for you 65 Caravel owners, here are my final axle order specs:

Dexter "Torflex Axle"
#10 torsion axle 3000lb. cambered (slightly curved)
74.5" Hub face to Hub face.
57.7/8" Outside bracket to Outside bracket.
Reverse orientation, side mount, low profile, brackets.
22.5 degrees down, trailing arm.
Electric brakes
Grease bearings (not EZ-lube or oil)
5 lugs on 4.5" centers.

I am planning on cutting the vertical shock mounts off of the old trailing arms and welding them to the new axle and buying new shocks.
I'll post again if anything "interesting" comes up during the installation process.

Dan
Dan, how has the installation gone? Are you happy with the final spec for the axle? I'm about to order one for my '65 Caravel, and I'd like to take advantage of your experience.
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Old 05-29-2008, 08:42 PM   #33
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bobtrem,
This is what I learned from my axle installation:

You don't need the side mount bracket, unless you want to order the one that raises the trailer 1 inch higher which is preferable to increasing the down angle to gain trailer hight. Your trailer will raise about 2 inches with a new axle alone.

Take the backing plate off (four nuts) to drill the holes from the pre-drilled holes on your mounting bracket, through the bracket that is welded to the Dexter axle. Drilling from the wheel well in is much easier.

I bought new shocks from Andy at Inland RV and was surprised to find that they were sent with no hardware (nuts and washers). It amounts to about two bucks worth of hardware that's included with every shock I've ever bought in my life. The money saved on this transaction is a fraction of the resentment I have for such a cheap move.

A local welder cut the old shock mounts off my old axle and welded them to the new axle for less than $100.

I used Pro-15 on the mounting bracket prior to installing the new axle.

My Dexter axle cost $325 with no shipping charge (it was drop shipped to a near by distributor where I picked it up).

Measure accurately. From the inside of one mounting bracket to the inside of the other should be about 57 7/8".
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Old 05-30-2008, 12:48 PM   #34
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Thanks Dan,
I appreciate the quick reply.
My dealer (who will also install it) doesn't understand why anyone would put a shock on a trailer with a Torflex axle. It's my call. What's your rationale for doing it? Also, what exactly is the side mount bracket and under what conditions would you need it? From your photo, it looks completely superfluous.
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the bracket is for mounting the axle to the underside of a frame channel. Since the airstream has a mounting plate already welded to the side of the frame channel, and it hangs down beneath the frame and has a square cutout there to accept such an axel, the bracket isn't needed.

imagine if you were gonna make a homemade trailer out of some frame members....you'd need to weld "something" on the underside to bolt the torflex axle to. So you could weld that bracket on, then you'd bolt the axle to it.

as for "shocks"...experts dont' seem to agree on the necessity.
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Old 05-30-2008, 06:53 PM   #36
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Nice explanation of the side mount bracket Chuck, I only wish I had found this information before I ordered my axle. Since the axle measurement included the side mount bracket, I installed them and now refer to them as "heavy duty shims".

bobtrem: As far as needing shocks, I wanted to duplicate the original set up for this trailer. I think the whole idea of having a torflex axle and shocks is to create the softest ride possible so that the unified frame and body structure is impacted with very little stress. This is also the reason you don't want to over-rate your axle, making it stiffer by increasing the weight rating to anything over 3200 lbs. The stock rating for your trailer is 3000 lbs.

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Old 05-30-2008, 07:15 PM   #37
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I bought new shocks from Andy at Inland RV and was surprised to find that they were sent with no hardware (nuts and washers). It amounts to about two bucks worth of hardware that's included with every shock I've ever bought in my life. The money saved on this transaction is a fraction of the resentment I have for such a cheap move.
We don't make cheap moves, on anyone.

However, we do sell the Airstream shocks, cheaper than any dealer, so I suppose that's a cheap shot, too.

Airstream "DOES NOT" supply hardware with any shocks that they have sold in over 60 years.

Perhaps you should write them and point out that in your opinion, they made a cheap move.

We don't toss in tires, just because someone bought a wheel.

We don't toss in a trailer, just because someone bought an axle, either.

How you mounted your axle, is far different than Airstream engineers have done for years.

On the other hand, to each his own.

Wish you many years enjoyment with your new "sort of fitting correctly" axle.

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I have watched this thread for several months, while worrying that the axle on my '65 Caravel had reached it's end. After mulling over the project and seeing how much time and energy could be spent reinventing the axle I called Inland RV. They had a shipment of axles enroute which had a correct axle for our trailer. I decided to take the plunge and a week later I got a call relating that my axle had arrived. The following Monday I towed the trailer to Corona, expecting the axle to fail with every pothole and bump. The installation was completed before 2pm and I picked it up the next morning. I do look for value or a good way to save money when I am fixing my toys. I also value my time and appreciate knowing that I had the job done correctly. For some strange reason the trailer actually tows noticably better with the new axle.

I paid more but I also value my time and got to spend it in ways more productive to me. From my point of view I received a very good value for my money. I have also found the folks at Inland RV dispense excellent advice with or without a purchase.

To each his own...
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...I paid more but I also value my time and got to spend it in ways more productive to me. From my point of view I received a very good value for my money.
Aye there's the rub!

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Old 05-30-2008, 09:26 PM   #40
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We don't make cheap moves, on anyone.

However, we do sell the Airstream shocks, cheaper than any dealer, so I suppose that's a cheap shot, too.

Airstream "DOES NOT" supply hardware with any shocks that they have sold in over 60 years.

Perhaps you should write them and point out that in your opinion, they made a cheap move.

We don't toss in tires, just because someone bought a wheel.

We don't toss in a trailer, just because someone bought an axle, either.

How you mounted your axle, is far different than Airstream engineers have done for years.

On the other hand, to each his own.

Wish you many years enjoyment with your new "sort of fitting correctly" axle.

Andy
Andy,
Even if Airstream doesn't include the nuts and washers with there shocks, it may be better customer service to raise the price of your shocks by two dollars and include the hardware which saves the buyer a trip to the store for a few minor items to finish the job. Of course that would be putting the customer first. Remember Andy, I bought my shocks from you, I am your customer and because I was legitimately surprised by the lack of mounting hardware is no reason to berate me publicly for how I mounted my axle. By the way, my axle is mounted with the same four bolts as your would have been, if it weren't more than twice the cost. Oops! I guess we're both capable of cheap shots. Sorry.

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Uh, okay. I guess I can just pretend that I understand that.
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Old 05-31-2008, 09:20 AM   #42
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Uh, okay. I guess I can just pretend that I understand that.

In the simplest of terms, we are both happy to have new axles under our Caravels, the difference being:

Yours probably cost over $1000 installed.

Mine cost $425 installed (including welding the old shock mounts to the new Dexter axle).

You saved time, I saved money.

You gained peace of mind.

I gained confidence and hands on knowledge that I can pass on to other resourceful do-it-yourselfers and I overcame the seeds of fear and doubt that are planted on this forum by a certain vendor every time the word “axle’ is mentioned.
I also have peace of mind.

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