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Old 02-05-2008, 12:38 PM   #15
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I agree that my Airstream would like a smoother ride - the trip to the '08 Can Opener took me down some very rough sections of road and resulted in the kitchen wall pulling away from the shell. Mrs. HiHo announced that I had to do something, I was "tearing up her Airstream" . That plus the fact the trailer has dropped 1 -2 inches in the last year tells me it's time for new axles.

Maybe now my clothes will stay hung in the closet
Bad axles, indeed, will cause the trailer to easily bottom out.

When that happens, the entire shell, momentarily, changes shape.

When that shape change takes place, it will spit the furniture out in the aisles, if the situation is not corrected, in short order, every time.

Additionally, the furniture pulling away from the walls, demonstrates the punishment the entire trailer is subjected to.

Rivets shearing, fatigue cracks in the frame and shell, broken wires, broken copper tubing, both LPG and water, damaged appliances, are but some of the damages that will happen, unforunately.

Many of the same type damages will also occur, when the running gear is not properly balanced, but not as fast.

All of that can be avoided, by checking out the axles, periodically, and keeping the running gear properly balanced.

Be suspicious of any torsion axle, that has not been exercised for an extended period of time.

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Old 02-06-2008, 04:19 PM   #16
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That's what I meant by 'no holds barred'
It will be a 'here is what I did'
'here is what worked'
'here is what went screwy'
no braggin' about the great deal just to feel better about my deal...
just the Facts.
Oh, if things work out, I plan on showing ride quality inside the trailer before and after (really neat equipment... )

Shocks?, we don't need no stinkin' shocks...
Please create a new thread for this. Attaching your experiences to this or any other existing thread will be taking away from the original thread poster.

Thanks in advance.

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I didn't think you could use Dexter's on tripple axles.

See the first page of this doc.
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Old 02-06-2008, 05:46 PM   #18
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I didn't think ...
well, i wonder what a/s and dexter think now.

since they've been using dexter on the 34s since '06...

correct?

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Old 02-06-2008, 08:19 PM   #19
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I've read posts from people who've purchased and installed both brands of torsion axles (Henschen & Dexter).
Since you asked and the responses have been limited, I have yet to do the install but MY experience in purchasing the Dexters has been mixed (I said I would be open). A couple of e-mails to Forum members were quick and helpful. Dexters tech staff confirmed the direction and sent me a ordering form. 10 minutes of measuring had the info on the form and I called the local dealer. The first of the 4 area dealers wasn't hitting on much, I called back a few times then went on to the next dealer. Within 24 hours I had a quote. .
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...There seems to be a significant price difference between the two...why should I use one over the other? ...the most economical thing
I just ordered at a quoted $475 each, plus shipping $75 (est) and local tax. That price included several options. Total time invested to-date is under a 1/2 hour. Let me know if you would like additional info and I'll post it here or send a link to a new thread as it becomes available.

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I went with Dexters

I swapped axles on my Overlander back in 2006. Covered 7-8k miles. No complaints. In fact, I have not seen any negative feedback from members on the Dexters. My local Dexter dealer (1 of 300 nationwide) did the whole job. Includes axles, Complete new 12" brake assembly, 4 new dexter wheels, and Never Lube bearings. The total bill was a little over $1300 includes labor.
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I've read posts from people who've purchased and installed both brands of torsion axles (Henschen & Dexter). I understand that Henschen are a simple install, and Dexters require a bit of work. Everyone seems to be happy with the end result. There seems to be a significant price difference between the two...why should I use one over the other? I am looking at replacing all three axles on a 1993 34' excella, and I'd like to do the most economical thing. Thanks in advance.
I have used and installed both axle brands. They are both excellent products.
Henschen axles are a closer fit, Dexter axles require a couple of holes to be drilled into the axle mounting plate, 4 for each axle. The drilling is not very difficult, bit it requires a large drill bit, and a 1/2in drill motor.
The price difference between the two isn't that big any more, since Dexter raised their prices to make up for increased steel prices.
My take is that if you are handy and want to save some money, the Dexter are the way to go. Talk to Dexter, though, the dealers will very often order teh wrong product to be used for Airstream.
Henschen axles area a very good fit, and require litlel or no work other than installation. They do cost more, and shipping them can drive the price through the roof. Dexter's shipping seems very reasonable when compared to Henschen - a big factor.
My Henschen axles were installed in a 71 TradeWind. It rode very nicely after the new axles were sorted out.
My current trailer rides on Dexter HD disc brake axles, and i am more than pleased with that product. The ride of the trailer is truly excellent, the braking performance is incredible. The price was definitely right!
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I put some Dexters on a couple months ago and they are stouter than the Hensch. If you need any help jsut pm or e-mail me I'll be glad to help. I have a thread a couple down about the install VERY easy!
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Old 04-07-2008, 06:41 PM   #23
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I installed 3 Henschen axles 2 years ago on my 34fter. I picked the axles up at the factory so there were no shipping charges and no chance of damage in transit.

Now after about 20,000 miles I lost ALL THE BRAKES. First idea when all brakes are involved would be something electrical. The electric checked out fine so I opened things up and found excessive brake dust. My first thought was the dust was getting between the shoes and the drums and causing a reduction in braking effectiveness. I cleaned the shoes but that had little effect. Additional investigation showed that the dust was so thick that it had cemented the magnet to the magnet arm limiting the ability of the magnet to contact the drum armature. I have just finished replacing the complete brake assemblies.

I have attached a picture of the dust in the magnet after I forced it free. The dust is so thick that even after braking the magnet free the spring could not return it forward.

I would suggest that anyone who has installed Henschen axles in the past 2 or 3 years increase their brake inspection cycle to insure you do not experience what I did.
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I installed 3 Henschen axles 2 years ago on my 34fter. I picked the axles up at the factory so there were no shipping charges and no chance of damage in transit.

Now after about 20,000 miles I lost ALL THE BRAKES. First idea when all brakes are involved would be something electrical. The electric checked out fine so I opened things up and found excessive brake dust. My first thought was the dust was getting between the shoes and the drums and causing a reduction in braking effectiveness. I cleaned the shoes but that had little effect. Additional investigation showed that the dust was so thick that it had cemented the magnet to the magnet arm limiting the ability of the magnet to contact the drum armature. I have just finished replacing the complete brake assemblies.

I have attached a picture of the dust in the magnet after I forced it free. The dust is so thick that even after braking the magnet free the spring could not return it forward.

I would suggest that anyone who has installed Henschen axles in the past 2 or 3 years increase their brake inspection cycle to insure you do not experience what I did.
Many things can cause excessive brake dust, regardless of the brand of electric brakes.

Lack of proper inspections of the brakes, in a timely manner, is no fault of anyone, except the trailer owner.

Penaities will happen, if the inspection periods are ignored.

Slightly riding the brakes is a major cause. Using a brake controller that leaks a small voltage to the brake system is another.

The largest by far cause, is to ignore the fact that brakes must be examined and checked every year or 10,000 miles, whichever is first

That examination will limit the amount of brake dust that will collect.

Obviously, the greater the miles, the more dust will accumulate.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the Nevrlube bearing equipped axles.

Will that in itself, cause owners to neglet the inspection of the brakes, every 10,000 miles??

Time will tell.

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right on Andy about the "Neverlube". I wonder what guarantees that your axles were filled properly at the factory and this name alone would almost imply that the axles are "maintainence free". I wonder how many buyers actually checked to see if their bearings actually had grease in there?? When people are involved mistakes will always occur.
Things like "Neverlube" or products that are also advertised as " self lubricating" always make me think twice before buying. This is not saying that the Dexters are in any way bad axles I just do not trust marketing gimics
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right on Andy about the "Neverlube". I wonder what guarantees that your axles were filled properly at the factory and this name alone would almost imply that the axles are "maintainence free". I wonder how many buyers actually checked to see if their bearings actually had grease in there?? When people are involved mistakes will always occur.
Things like "Neverlube" or products that are also advertised as " self lubricating" always make me think twice before buying. This is not saying that the Dexters are in any way bad axles I just do not trust marketing gimics
Neverlube are sealed bearings, like you would find in the front hubs of front wheel drive cars. Since they are sealed, there is no way to examine the amount of lubricant contained in the hub assembly.
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I stand corrected. Thanks Overlander. I was not aware that they were sealed bearings in the Dexters.
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Old 04-07-2008, 09:25 PM   #28
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I stand corrected. Thanks Overlander. I was not aware that they were sealed bearings in the Dexters.
The sealed bearings are ok.

But I still have a strong feeling that the Nevrlube bearing setup, will give owners a very false sense of security as to the condition of the trailer brakes.

PM on the brakes, is an absolute MUST.

Every year or every 10,000 which ever comes first, thats the proper and recommended PM for electric brakes.

Personally, I don't think electric brakes "walk on water" very well.

Some things in life "are a must."

Proper care of the trailer brakes, is one of those musts, Nevrlube bearings or not!!!

Magnets wear, like it or not. Typical mileage for a single axle is 15,000 miles and a tandem typically is 18,000 to 20,000 miles, more or less, depending on one's driving habits and what kind or terrain they visit.

Worn magnets, also cut deep grooves in the armature plate of the drums. If that happens with the Nevrlube, you will have to order the special drums, since it seems that no one stocks them, except the factory.

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