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Old 02-01-2006, 08:04 PM   #71
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I will vote on that!!
"It is there for a reason"
They are still putting shocks on there torsion axles.....
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Old 02-02-2006, 10:50 AM   #72
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The reason seems to be so they can brag about having shocks on the trailer. I rode in my Argosy without shocks, after the new axels, and it rides very smooth, over railway tracks and all. Nothing moves around anymore. Look at the amount of travel on the shocks and you will see that they don't move very far.
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Old 02-02-2006, 11:01 AM   #73
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As far as I have been told, and observed, it is because Airstream =$$$, and for $$$ people expect top-of-the-line, state-of-the-art, most sophisticated coach they can buy. That means that they get shocks on the axles. Whether they need them or not.
This is interesting and the second time I have heard this comment. The first time was from the son of the owner of our local dealership. He told me that the shock absorber provides little benefit to the torsion axle due to the location and angle of its mounting. It truly has limited travel and that its put there because of expectations from the buyers that high end trailers should have shocks.

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Old 02-03-2006, 08:50 AM   #74
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This month I ordered 2, 3500 lb axels from Axis. They have an airstream order form that is easy to use. The axels came and were a simple bolt on job that 2 of us finished in an hour. The axels are so much better that I didn't even need to put the shocks on. The trailer rides higher and very smooth. Total cost was $335 each plus $100 total shipping. That includes new bearings, brakes and drums. I used the original ratings found on the axels to order the new ones and everything fit perfect.
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hey doug,

i think i'm going to order from them as well. what was the measurement hub face to hub face? i've got a 64, so i know it will be different, i'm just curious what you found.

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wheels for the new axles....

so, now that the axle issue is almost resolved, where can i find some steel rims that will fit the baby moons? is that a standard wheel that i could get at any wheel shop? or is there a preferred place to order them?

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hey doug,

i think i'm going to order from them as well. what was the measurement hub face to hub face? i've got a 64, so i know it will be different, i'm just curious what you found.

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Jordan, yours will be different as I put axels on a 73 Argosy. Yours will be narrower. Mine is 77 3/8" but the most important is the bracket to bracket measurment as the axel goes up between the frames.Mine is 61 3/8 there.
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Jordan, yours will be different as I put axels on a 73 Argosy. Yours will be narrower. Mine is 77 3/8" but the most important is the bracket to bracket measurment as the axel goes up between the frames.Mine is 61 3/8 there.
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interesting. mine is exactly 58" to the bracket ends, vertical shocks, with a hub face of 74 13/16". i've been thinking about actually getting a hub to hub measurement of 74" even, to make it marginally easier to change the tires. there's plenty of room back there to move the tire back 3/8" on each side.

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Old 02-03-2006, 11:13 AM   #78
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Thumbs up move hub faces 3/8 inward

Shacksman,

That's what I intend to do, also, move the hub faces inward 3/8", and for the same reason. I'm waaaayyyy pleased that someone else got 61-3/8" on the outside bracket measurement. That's where my 1971 18' Caravel sits.

But my hub-to-hub (really brake drum face to brake drum face) is 80-3/8". That's 3 inches wider and it doesn't make any sense to me that my tires seem to be nearly centered in the wheel well. Does anyone have an explanation how the hub to hub dimension can vary so much, even though the shell is the same width? When I found this trailer it had steel wheels and I put mags on it without changing the drums, so somehow my wider hub-to-hub axle fits standard wheels.

It's differences like this that are stopping me from ordering a new axle today.
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so, now that the axle issue is almost resolved, where can i find some steel rims that will fit the baby moons? is that a standard wheel that i could get at any wheel shop? or is there a preferred place to order them?

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Jordan,

I purchased new wheels for the 1954 Liner from Southwest Wheel in Dallas, they do not have the clips for the baby moons but bumps instead. Southwest Wheel said that new style baby moons would fit on the new wheels, but I have not started to look yet.

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Not only is shock travel (movement) not much, the axles do not move that much either. And a worn axle moves even less. However Airstreams have always had shocks. Kind of a traditional thing.

A trailer rides a lot different than a car and truck. Most trailers are pulled when they are at or near full load. Car and particularily (pickup) trucks frequently ride at much less than full load. So more axle (actually body/frame) movement will be seen in a unloaded truck versus a fully loaded truck.

Jordan, I didn't know there was an axle issue to be resolved?

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Jordan, I didn't know there was an axle issue to be resolved?
just measurements. i think i'm going to miss the low-rider look when it's all back together.



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Measurement check in -

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Bracket measurement 61 3/8"
Hub Face 80 3/8"

The back of the brackets is actually 61.5" but the majority of the bracket is 61 3/8

hole centers 9 1/8"

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Old 02-12-2006, 11:26 PM   #83
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5000 miles and....

I have one of the first Axis axles that had been made for an Airstream or Argosy.
I now have 5000 miles on it and no trouble.
Seeing as how Axis had never done an AS axle before I offered to take mine down there so they would have the axle and trailer.
I left it a week and came back to a trailer that sat at the height that it should sit. The ride home was not as "bouncy". The trailer "floats" now.
My axle was right around the $300 mark. Their installation was second to none.
If you look for the thread titled, "The Minuet is at the Axle Doctor", you will see a lot of step-by-step photos of the replacement and the old axle removal.
If you call Axis they are more than willing to help you with measurements and removal advice seeing as how they have now done so many of these.
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I have one of the first Axis axles that had been made for an Airstream or Argosy.
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You actually have the first!

Glad things are still going well for you!

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