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Old 01-30-2006, 07:26 PM   #57
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Axle Price

This is just a ball park figure OK, I called a Dexter distributor and asked how much for a set of axles for my trailer and he gave me a ball park figure with out getting into all the tech stuff ok. around 200.00 per axle ( just the axle). If you want all new brake parts and Hubs it will cost more. I hope this will be able to help somebody out.. dexteraxle.com to find your nearest distributor..
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Old 01-30-2006, 08:09 PM   #58
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I am getting ready to remove one of the toasted axles to take to Axis for copying. Should be heading out there way in early March (Feb is a nightmare schedule for me). Then two weeks later I will head back to pick up there pair. They will have another pattern and spec. for there spread sheet.
When you pick them up, make sure you measure them and compare them with the old axles. When I picked mine up in November I gave them a quick look and thought they looked okay, but they were the wrong size and the brackets were switched end to end. Also, take the old axles with you in case you need to compare them if something doesn't look right.

This problem has been almost fully resolved now, I'll post an update when I'm sure everything is okay.
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Old 01-31-2006, 01:48 PM   #59
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i'm going to sponge off this thread, too! i just got back from the closest dexter axle retailer, and they want $725 for the axle, $80 to have it shipped to them, and about $150-$200 to install it. and worst of all, he said, if i order it, it's mine. if it doesn't fit, i have to order another one! it's a duratorqe axle, i think i heard him say 5200, complete with electric brakes. he asked me the angle, and i told him 22.5 down, 3500# cap. is that what everyone else is going with? when i told him the down angle, he said it was going to jack my trailer up significantly, but i told him it's probably already SAGGING significantly, so it's just back to normal! this price seems a lot higher than the numbers the rest of you are getting quoted.

i've just bought a 64 tradewind, and want the "peace of mind".

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Old 01-31-2006, 02:09 PM   #60
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Yes I agree with DavidsonOverlander - while his problem was much more severe than ours - see pic below - humans are humans.

With Henry not there now things happen that seem to take a long time to rectify. While they are a viable alternative - the enthusiasm for one, offs does not seem to be the same.

They have a good plan though and they are the third largest manufacturer of axles in NorthAmerica. So the fact they are still considering orders by individuals regardless of the make of trailer - is nice to see.

If anyone is interested in seeing some pics of the plant I can share.

Merry can not sure what the combo for the Tradewind would be - but 2 3500's would be 7000# - that is what we had put on the overlander - leafspring though not durotorque - 5200# would be two 2600's

Be careful that you do not get too stiff for your rig. When we were talking to Andy at Inland he had indicated we could beef her up to a 4500# (for the Globe Trotter)
but then we would have to carry a full tank of water in the front to balance out the weight distribution. - However this recommendation would then put our tongue weight over - carrying both the water and full propane tanks and the weight of the trailer.

Just so many things to consider.

Note the picture - the slot on the new brakets were off by 1/8 of an inch - just enough that we could not get the bolts through - a new drill bit and some extra time and we did get our perfect fit. You can see that the arc on the bar and braket were actually perfect along with the shock bracket was also perfect.

We had done a water glass test in the sink after the new instal and not a single drop was spilled. We did this test before the replacement and the glass had actually tipped over not just sloshed - down the same road - we basically were banging down the road not bouncing.
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Old 01-31-2006, 02:40 PM   #61
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Merry can not sure what the combo for the Tradewind would be - but 2 3500's would be 7000# - that is what we had put on the overlander - leafspring though not durotorque - 5200# would be two 2600's
my trade wind is a single axle. i think the original weight was 3400# dry. i assumed a 3500# axle would have enough padding in its ratings to be sufficient. do you think the price sounds reasonable? (rouchly $1K +/- installed) i was really counting on spending less, but i can't order axles direct from dexter. i could try axis again, i guess. i used them for the axle for my other trailer, but haven't gotten around to installing it yat. it looks great, though! i agree, working with henry was a total pleasure.

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Old 01-31-2006, 03:04 PM   #62
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If you compare that to our base cost - $1500 US for 2 brand new spring set ups complete with brakes and some special coatings and zinc parts + 4500# torsion axle with 12inch brakes complete and two beauty rims and Marathon tires. I would have to say nope.

But we did make two trips to Indiana and back - gas costs and wear and tear and time. And we did install the Globe Trotter axle ourselves - the Overlander was left in their bay while they did the full removal and install.

If you weigh in shipping costs from Georgia and install costs - you may be comparable - but each case is different. Not sure what options you are adding to your axle either. Standard vs powder coat or zinc coat or galvinized - ss parts or zinc parts lubrication systems etc they all ad up quick.

Good luck with your decision.
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Old 01-31-2006, 03:14 PM   #63
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Jordan,

I suggest you rethink the 3500# axle rating. I've been looking into replacing the axle on my '64 Safari, and according to Andy the original rating for my axle was 4000#. At first that seemed a bit high to me, but the more I thought about just how much could be loaded into these trailers (LPG, H2O, food, clothing, camping supplies, etc... you get the picture) it made sense. If you consider that your trailer has a dry weight of 3480# as opposed to my trailer's 3100#, I would opt for an axle rated somewhere between 4500-5000#. If you're thinking of carrying a whole bunch of supplies, then maybe even up to 5500#.
CAVEAT: I am not an expert in this area!!!!

Someone like Andy at Inland, or a knowlegeable individual at another axle distributor/mfg could give you a better answer. Hope this helps.

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Old 02-01-2006, 12:58 PM   #64
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Question 45 degrees down?

Has anyone considered getting torsion axles set at 45 degrees down? This additional 22.5 degrees would add about 2" overall static height, but that's not the main point.

The main point is that as the torsion arm static position is swung downward, the forces that are generated when you hit a bump are transformed from totally vertical to partially vertical and partially rearward (if the arm was down 90 degrees, the initial forces from a bump would be totally in the rearward directrion, theoretically speaking, of course). The rearward forces would be adsorbed along the frame to the hitch--a good tradeoff in my opinion. I'm always looking for a way to reduce the vertical loads that are imparted by bumps.

Any suspension experts want to chime in here?
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Red face Axle weight spec

Toddster,

Don't over spec the weight capacity of your axle(s). Too high a spring rate will result in a very rough ride and you will beat the heck out of your trailer.

For example, my 18' Caravel has an axle weight of 3240 lbs (the weight of just the tires on the scale) dry, but with most of the furnishings like linens and plates. That weight includes the wheels and tires, so let's say that the sprung weight is about 3100 lbs. I don't care about the tongue weight, since the truck has to support it. If I add 35 gal of water, two bottles of propane (almost totally on the tongue), 200 lbs of provisions (incredible how much this is--food, camping gear, cameras and still not up to 200), I'm estimating total sprung weight is 3,800 lbs (some of the weight of the other stuff goes on the tongue, too). Even if I misbehave and let someone ride in the trailer now and then, that's a max of another 200 lbs, so I'm going for a 4,000 lb axle.
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Old 02-01-2006, 02:04 PM   #66
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Could someone do me the favor of measuring their 60s trailer with 5-lug wheels and let me compare?

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I have two trailers in my area that could be late 60's. I am going to town today and will see if I can take a look.
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This month I ordered 2, 3500 lb axels from Axis. They have an airstream order form that is easy to use. The axels came and were a simple bolt on job that 2 of us finished in an hour. The axels are so much better that I didn't even need to put the shocks on. The trailer rides higher and very smooth. Total cost was $335 each plus $100 total shipping. That includes new bearings, brakes and drums. I used the original ratings found on the axels to order the new ones and everything fit perfect.
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Doug,

Great to hear. I am ordering the same weight rating too, there is a reason that Airstream put a given weight rating axle on a trailer in the first place. It was what was needed to ballance between ride and weight carring capacity.

Please correct me if I am wrong on that point.
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Old 02-01-2006, 07:38 PM   #69
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When I talked to Axis a few months back they said they sold a lot of axles and Airstream was the only set up that used shocks with torsion axles while they would not say don't use them, they didn't know why "only" Airstream used the shocks!!

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When I talked to Axis a few months back they said they sold a lot of axles and Airstream was the only set up that used shocks with torsion axles while they would not say don't use them, they didn't know why "only" Airstream used the shocks!!

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As far as I have been told, and observed, it is because Airstream =$$$, and for $$$ people expect top-of-the-line, state-of-the-art, most sophisticated coach they can buy. That means that they get shocks on the axles. Whether they need them or not.
I am, however, a firm believer in "if it's there, it's there for a reason", so I will continue to keep and install shocks on my Airstream coaches. They don't cost that much, and they look "funny" without the shocks, like something is missing.
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