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10-29-2003, 06:29 PM
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Mr. R
1984 34' Excella
1979 31' Sovereign
Rogersville
, Missouri
Join Date: Sep 2003
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Are My Axles Bad?
How do you tell if axles are bad? I had a tow service pick up my trailer when I bought it and he pulled it back at 70-75 mph which I thought was way to fast. Is there a way to check axles? Do you always have to replace them or are they repairable? Tim
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Tim Rogers
Rogersville, MO
"Where there is a will, there is a way"
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10-29-2003, 06:33 PM
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2 Rivet Member
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 39
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Bad axel
Check out inland rv they have a fairly comprehensive write up on the subject.
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10-29-2003, 06:39 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1961 26' Overlander
Gabriola Island
, British Columbia
Join Date: Aug 2003
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10-30-2003, 08:00 AM
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418
2007 25' Safari FB SE
1958 22' Flying Cloud
1974 29' Ambassador
Yucca Valley
, California
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: 1963 26' Overlander
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trogers....,
A quick way to check is to look at the wheels head on, and see if the wheel cutout on the trailer covers the top of the wheel rim. If this is the case, then most likely you will need new axles. Make sure the trailer sits level and consider it's load. The inspection refers to an unloaded trailer.
If you can see a few fingers width of tire above the wheel rim, then chances are that your axles are ok. If the trailer is empty,and level, the torsion arms should point downwards. The torsion arms are the short "levers" that the wheel swivels on. You have to get a lamp and get under the trailer to see them.
If the torsion arms ar parallel to the frame, or pointing upwards, then the axles are definitely shot. If the axles are bad, then road shock will transfer into your frame and body shell, potenially causing lots of problems with the trailer's integrity.
The axles are available as complete assemblies, with new brakes and bearings etc.
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10-30-2003, 08:34 AM
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Mr. R
1984 34' Excella
1979 31' Sovereign
Rogersville
, Missouri
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 33
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Uwe...Thanks for the information...I will check and see how mine look....Tim
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Rogersville, MO
"Where there is a will, there is a way"
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10-30-2003, 08:41 PM
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2 Rivet Member
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 39
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Axel
Just a quick follow up question. How much should I expect to pay in labor to have two new axels installed?
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10-31-2003, 08:57 AM
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Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
Corona
, California
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,497
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STINKY.
Total man hours to replace two axles runs between 4 to 5. Add another hour if the shocks are also being replaced at the same time.
These are average times and depend on the experience of the installer, and the type equipment available to lift the new axles in place.
Alignment is automatic, as the bolt holes in the new mounting brackets exactly match the holes in the axle mounting plates.
Sole exception is some of the 62 -63 models, as well as the Caravel models through 1967.
Replacing tamdem axles is actually easier than replacing a single axle, in that with the tandem, a jack is not required to lift the trailer.
Andy
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10-31-2003, 11:56 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1967 17' Caravel
Bozeman
, Montana
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 49
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The new axle took some extra work on my ‘67 Caravel. The new axles come with a mounting bracket that sits the axle about 7/8” higher than the old axle. When I positioned the new axle in the old space the trailer frame bracket was too short in height to drill new mounting holes. After the axle arrived I called Andy about the axle not fitting in place. He told me I needed to extend the trailer frame bracket downward using 3/16 steel. The frame modification allowed me to drill new horizontal mounting holes through both the trailer and axle bracket allowing the axle to bolt on. The shock mounts (which came unattached) were then welded on. It did take more time and money than I originally anticipated but solved a problem of thetire rubbing in the wheel well on the curb side. Having a new undercarrage under my 35 year old trailer gives me an added sense of security and I like the way it tows now. Here’s a photo of how I did it.
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10-31-2003, 11:57 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1967 17' Caravel
Bozeman
, Montana
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 49
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I'll try that photo again...
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10-31-2003, 12:05 PM
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Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
Corona
, California
Join Date: Feb 2002
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Rick, great job.
Three new 1/2 inch holes can also be drilled through the bracket and axle mounting plate, if someone did not want to extend the axle mounting plate.
That would adapt the new brackets to the old, very short, axle mounting plates eliminating the need to do any welding, except perhaps for the shock brackets.
Andy
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10-31-2003, 03:06 PM
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Rivet Master
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 949
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Just to give you a visual, here is a pic of my 74 with the original and decent axles. There is still ample room left between the top of the wheel rim (not the tire) and the fender lip. Not exactly a scientific approach but a good quick way to get a general idea. I am sure a new axle would have even more distance between the two points.
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10-31-2003, 05:29 PM
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2 Rivet Member
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 39
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Axels
Thank you so much guys this was a great help!
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04-24-2004, 01:08 PM
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2 Rivet Member
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 22
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Years ago, when this site was just starting, I remember a discussion about Airstream axles, when they are not moved for a long time, take a set and do not support the trailer properly. I believe it was Inland Andy that suggested when an Airstrean is to set for a long without moving, the axles should be unloaded. I have looked but cannot find that thread. Any of you old timers remember this? I am at a point where my 93 Excella may sit up to a year in my garage without being moved. I am trying to remember if the wheels need to be off the ground, or if just raising the trailer a 2-3 inches would do the job of preventing a set on the rubber. Any thoughts would be appreciated if it will help me to preserve the axles on my trailer and not have to worry about axle shipping costs. Thanks. Jeff
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04-24-2004, 01:45 PM
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418
2007 25' Safari FB SE
1958 22' Flying Cloud
1974 29' Ambassador
Yucca Valley
, California
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: 1963 26' Overlander
Posts: 4,804
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Jeff,
I believe that 3-4 inches of lift would be sufficient to unload the axles and to keep the rubber from setting. Of course, if you lift it so the tires are just off the ground, then you will avoid the flatspotting that occurs when tires sit in the same spot for a long time.
The trailer should be lifted on the axle mounting plate between the wheels, and that is where the jacks should go to keep it up high. It is important that the trailer is stabilized in teh front and back, so if you are going inside, it won't fall off the jacks, or teeter towards the back. I would use the regular stabilizing jacks for this, and some 3" blocks etc.
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04-24-2004, 03:46 PM
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2 Rivet Member
Join Date: Jun 2003
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Thanks UWE. You are right, I am sure, about raising the trailer on the axle mount plates. I was thinking about trying to do this the easy way. When I built my garage 12 years ago I put a 20 ft. service pit in so I can easily get under my trailer( I had a motorhome then). I thought about letting the front jack down and then, by cutting some 6 by 6 timbers for the rear jack points, I could raise the front electric jack and unload the axles. I would use a jack stand under the hitch and unload the electric jack. Perhaps that procedure would put too much strain on the frame. I woud appreciate your comments. Thanks. Jeff
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04-25-2004, 10:32 AM
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Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
Corona
, California
Join Date: Feb 2002
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The rear jack points are for stabilizing, not lifting.
Andy
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04-25-2004, 03:22 PM
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5 rivets, 1 loose screw
1966 20' Globetrotter
Saginaw County
, Michigan
Join Date: May 2002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Inland RV Center, In
The rear jack points are for stabilizing, not lifting.
Andy
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Andy, please do us a favor and define your advice on lifting points. Note that Airstream has recommended not jacking by the axle mounting plates.
Reference: THIS thread.
I'm not questioning your experience or wisdom, just trying to resolve an issue that has been much debated on this forum.
Thanks
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May you camp where wind won’t hit you, where snakes won’t bite and bears won’t git you.
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04-26-2004, 09:09 AM
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Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
Corona
, California
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,497
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Where to jack????
Jacking anything off the ground, leaves much to be desired if the information is not "extremely exact."
Airstream indeed places a "jack" label underneath the trailer. According to the Airstream manuals, you can lift the trailer at those points.
"HOWEVER," the manual does not instruct you do do it with any detail. There arises the problem. A protective board must be placed on the frame, OR, damage can occur.
But even that can be carried to an extreme. As an example, lower the front of the trailer as far as possible, and use two jacks stands with boards on the rear "Jack" plates or labels, and then raise the trailer off the ground, as a few have done. DON'T DO IT. If you do, considerable damage to the exterior can happen, usually by bulkling the front quarter panels, and putting unnatural stresses on the entrance door hinges.
Therefore to play it "safer," is it not wiser to use the axle mounting plates as the lifting point? I think it is. Obviously, the floor or bottle jack must be placed on the axle mounting plate correctly. In doing so, there is nothing that can be damaged, since no sheet metal damage can occur. Also, that plate is about 3/16 inches thick and not likely to buckle from any type of jack.
In conclusion, I suppose the choice is up to the individual as to where and how they wish to jack up the trailer. Common sense would dictate using the axle mounting plates, but others may disagree with that. We have always promoted safety, and therefore feel that the axle mounting plates are the best jacking point.
I have raised the question with Airstream and they have advised us that they will look into the matter and take it under review.
Regardless, always exercise caution and pay attention to the small details when jacking up anything.
Andy
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04-26-2004, 11:57 AM
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2 Rivet Member
Ann Arbor
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 96
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This discussion would be helped immensely by a few pictures with arrows saying "Axle mounting plates: Safe," "xxx: Safe," "Yyy: UNSAFE," etc.
Eugenie
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04-26-2004, 12:38 PM
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5 rivets, 1 loose screw
1966 20' Globetrotter
Saginaw County
, Michigan
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 1,555
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Quote:
Originally Posted by maznblu
This discussion would be helped immensely by a few pictures with arrows saying "Axle mounting plates: Safe," "xxx: Safe," "Yyy: UNSAFE," etc.
Eugenie
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I doubt that anyone other than the people who build them would be willing to go that far out on a limb due to the liability issue. I imagine Inland Andy has some sway with the AS folks and hopefully they will follow through on taking the matter under review. I'm sure Andy will share any new info with us if he hears anything back from them.
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May you camp where wind won’t hit you, where snakes won’t bite and bears won’t git you.
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