Just took a look at the new Safari Sport 22 ft today. Its nice to see they have resurrected the tambour roof lockers.
I looked in the closet at the weight placard for the trailer's weight and was very disappointed.
Safari 22ft dry weigh 3,545 lbs......trailer axle GVW rated at 4000 lbs
26 gallons water 217
10 gallons LP 40
Net cargo carrying capacity WITHOUT options is 198 lbs.
This trailer, an 2008 model of course, was laden with all the options, you know dealers always add all options, Air Conditioner, Microwave, TV/DVD, and Patio ZipDee awning. These options weigh a total of 189 lbs per Airstream Customer Service today. So, do the math, and it leaves you with "9" pounds for food, clothing, and personal effects.
I thought maybe we could trade our Bambi Quick Silver in for a Safari Sport, but Bambi has the same weight issues. We have never used our Bambi Quick Silver because loaded it will be overweight. It has a 3500 lb rated axle, and with water, LP, and dishes, it weighs in a 3,480 lbs. Add clothing and personal effects and it will be over the 3500 lb axle limit, not to mention the dynamics at work with the trailer moving
Now I am waiting for an Aistream engineer to call to see if I can order a Canadian spec'd trailer (CSA) since they have an axle rated for 4500 lbs.
Shame on them!
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Jim and Chris
WBCCI #5812
Denver Unit 024
'51 15 panel 22ft. Flying Cloud
'59 Caravanner
'67 Globe Trotter
'79 Trade Wind Int'l
'97 B-190 B-Van
'06 Bambi Quick Silver (2nd yr ownership, insufficient axle,, but for 2 grand Airstream said will beef up axle)
Axle weight does not include tongue weight of 10%-15% of GVW. So, there is at least another 400 pounds of carrying capacity at 10%, and 600 pounds at 15%,
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Terry "I'd rather wake up in the middle of nowhere, than any city" Steve McQueen
AIR#2611
Nope, I don't count that. Once you place a weight distributing hitch into the mix, some of the tongue weight will be tranferred to the trailer's axle, and some to the tow car. I don't know what the "true" tongue weight is because I would need to load that trailer and weigh it. I don't think the dealer will allow me to experiment.
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Jim and Chris
WBCCI #5812
Denver Unit 024
'51 15 panel 22ft. Flying Cloud
'59 Caravanner
'67 Globe Trotter
'79 Trade Wind Int'l
'97 B-190 B-Van
'06 Bambi Quick Silver (2nd yr ownership, insufficient axle,, but for 2 grand Airstream said will beef up axle)
Net cargo carrying capacity WITHOUT options is 198 lbs. ???? Do heavier rated axles increase the weight of the Airstream substantially?
Why make a unit with little to no carrying capacity?
Again, even if you assume 50% of the weight on the tongue is going back to the axle (and it shouldn't be that much), you still will have 200-300 pounds of stuff you can load without overloading the axle. The trailer is designed for weekends use, not long-term camping, 300 pounds is a lot of clothes, popcorn, and twinkies.
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Terry "I'd rather wake up in the middle of nowhere, than any city" Steve McQueen
AIR#2611
Again, even if you assume 50% of the weight on the tongue is going back to the axle (and it shouldn't be that much), you still will have 200-300 pounds of stuff you can load without overloading the axle. The trailer is designed for weekends use, not long-term camping, 300 pounds is a lot of clothes, popcorn, and twinkies.
Yeah but Terry, after you eat the 300 pounds of popcorn and twinkies every weekend won't the occupants themselves be too HEAVY for the axles?
__________________ -Carol
Adopt the pace of nature: her secret is patience. ~Ralph Waldo Emerson
2air, You're right on the money there. We won't be burned twice. Just thought maybe Airstream would have done it another way referring to the Safari Sport.
Airstream won't pony up for a heavier axle on our Quick Silver. For the money it cost, its a shame. Its sitting idle in a climate controlled building living the posh life. Oh well, in a couple of decades we will EBay it.
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Jim and Chris
WBCCI #5812
Denver Unit 024
'51 15 panel 22ft. Flying Cloud
'59 Caravanner
'67 Globe Trotter
'79 Trade Wind Int'l
'97 B-190 B-Van
'06 Bambi Quick Silver (2nd yr ownership, insufficient axle,, but for 2 grand Airstream said will beef up axle)
I talked to our loca dealer the a.m., and they said there was a box to check for us "americans" to spec a CSA equipped trailer. I am also awaiting Airstream to contact me to answer directly about the CSA issue.
Our dealer also was VERY aware (with a big sigh) of the extreme CCC limitation ( Cargo Carrrying Cap.) of the Safari Sport
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Jim and Chris
WBCCI #5812
Denver Unit 024
'51 15 panel 22ft. Flying Cloud
'59 Caravanner
'67 Globe Trotter
'79 Trade Wind Int'l
'97 B-190 B-Van
'06 Bambi Quick Silver (2nd yr ownership, insufficient axle,, but for 2 grand Airstream said will beef up axle)
The 22 SS is an almost perfect trailer to me. I would have bought this over my 25 FB had it been availible.
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GC....say it aint so, you would give up that beautiful 25FB for a "Sport"????? I'm hurt!
Time
__________________ Travel is in my blood, adventure is my passport, aluminum is my favorite construction medium, and therefore, an Airstream was my destiny.
GC....say it aint so, you would give up that beautiful 25FB for a "Sport"????? I'm hurt!
Time
Would I give up the 25 FB for a Sport? No. I am truly spoiled at this point. But I would have bought one instead. I love the size length and width. The bathroom is tops. The weight means I'd have kept my wonderfull F150 and since the whole set up would have been shorter, lighter and norrower I'd be in boondock heaven. I'd also have saved enough money between the truck and trailer to have a new Corvette. A really nice one not a stripper.
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