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Old 05-05-2008, 11:41 PM   #15
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love the fire dancer!

purchased one after enjoying gary and janets for 2-3 rallies...

also have the 'little red portable campfire' sold at camping world...

little red is ok, but not as nice or easy to use as the dancer...

informal survey while camping...

20% liked the flame on the the little red better, 75% liked the fire dancer better...

and 5% were too drunk to vote, but kept wanting to stir the coals!

the vermiculite works GREAT and does NOT store heat...

there is also a fake log cluster for the dancer that rests on TOP of the vermiculite.

the 'little red' has fake logs and they too are very light (not fireplace logs) and again don't store heat.

i'd be VERY CAUTIOUS about replacing the vermiculite with lava or ceramic or ANY heat holding ballast...

because the base needs to run cool, i don't think the fittings or RUBBER HOSE would safely tolerate a really HOT environment...

IF high btu/warmth and COOKING are goals use the guts of an lp grill and SHIELD the 'pit' from the connections...

boom!

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So let me get this straight-The burner in the fire dancer sits on the bottom of the pan, vermiculite is poured right on top of the burner- that's it?
Oh yes 2air I plan on hard plumbing the supply(bip) thru the washer drum!
Cooking is not a concern!! big flames BIG FLAMES- NO EMBERS!
How long does this vermiculite last? couple nites?
I've found some 14" burners that might work, $35. hose and regulator $25.Getting close'
Thanks everyone- keep the info coming
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Old 05-05-2008, 11:51 PM   #17
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I've not used my FD a lot but I expect the vermiculite to last at least a couple of seasons. It doesn't get black, smell, or even get hot. It'll bet it would make great insulation too.

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Old 05-05-2008, 11:58 PM   #18
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So let me get this straight-The burner in the fire dancer sits on the bottom of the pan, vermiculite is poured right on top of the burner- that's it?...
yep, that's it.

and the 'burner' is ONE hole that gas escapes from...

flame distribution depends on the air flow through the vermiculite.... compressed areas will not have a flame...

the vermiculite could last for year and year and years....

it DOES get carbon black after some usage, but that only makes for better realism...

it anything spillage is the mostly likely way more is needed.

the fake logs sit on top of the vermiculite.

i sometimes stick incense in the vermiculite for aroma or throw on flame color altering granules...

IF i were gonna make one, it would have 4-6 small pans of vermiculite each with flame...

this would look like a cluster of flowers or raised lotus flowers/pads...


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Old 05-06-2008, 12:02 AM   #19
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yep, that's it.

throw on flame color altering granules...

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I was thinking of some sort of av gas spritzer for that!
but than again after a few cold ones things start looking colorful to me
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Old 05-06-2008, 12:07 AM   #20
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No embers

DG,
I don't know how nuts you want to go, and I've never tried this but have seen it used in landscaping. Bubble the propane up through water. the flames dance on the water surface. Of course the washer tub wouldn't work. You'd have the only one like it though.
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some new kind of HOT TUB Dave??
I'm likin it, maybe I could devise some sort of waterfall thingie. hum
or I could just float some gas in a bucket and light that off.
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I'm still looking for ideas!! Last nites brainstorm session was a good start.
Whats the hi and low pressure thing all about?
Hank Hill where are you? I need your input on "propane and propane related accessories!"
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Hey DG!
Besides vermiculite being used, I have also seen cinders and lavarock used, although it would be heavier. You can also use pumice rock which I think would be cool as it is very light and comes in bigger pieces. I have also seen tumbled glass used.

You might check out a gas fireplace supply store or website for some ideas and accessories.
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Hank Hill Rules!

My wife and I purchased the Yukon Legend last year and we love it. http://www.bearcreekmfg.com/ We are both bothered by smoke allergies but love to sit outdoors around a campfire. You can roast hotdogs and marshmallows no problem on the Yukon. It comes with a small cooking grate so you can cook something in a pot or pan but I have not done that yet.

I love the Yukon (and things like it) because you can have a fire where fires are not permitted. It's classified similarly to a gas grill - so if gas grills are permitted you can use the Yukon. When nobody else can have a fire due to dry conditions the Yukon is okay to use.

I quickly found I was not happy with attaching the Yukon to a 20# bottle. The Hank Hill in me (I was raised in a family of propane and natural gas businessmen) came out and I purchased a variety of accessories from MB Sturgis . : M B Sturgis Inc : .Manufacturers of Natural and LP Gas Hose Hoses, Quick Disconnects and Gas Outlets so now I have 50' of flexible hose that I can move anywhere in the campsite. I simply connect the line to the bottle on the front of the trailer and run the Yukon, gas grill and other accessories from the other end. The 50' hose connects via a Y with a quick disconnect. That way the trailer appliances continue to run while I sit by, beverage in hand, and watch the flames flicker.

I don't have any pictures of the installation handy. But I attached a picture of the hoses and adapters. The T shown goes at the end of the 50' hose to attach accessories. The short hose is used to connect a gas grill or gas lantern to the end of the long hose. The quick disconnect shown was later attached to another T that allows me to tap into the main tanks at the front of the trailer.

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Lucius;
Thanks - this is more what I'm looking for! 18" diameter is nice. 18 hours on a barbie tank-nice also.
I really enjoy campfires, have a unlimited supply of cherry to burn but more places are having the emberless fires only. I usually carry 3 or 4 20 gallon plastic tubs full of wood in the burb. I'm liking what everyone is showing here! I'm sure other forum members will also be building or buying!
This one from "The Great White North" is nice! eh
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